Batista’s Return A Flop?, John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt, Elimination Chamber Main Event, My Updated Mount Rushmore

Would you say that Batista’s return to WWE has been a flop so far?

Batista’s return to WWE has been a disappointment so far. While this may surprise some of you, I’m actually a fan of Batista. I think he’s got a great look and sufficient work and I love the fact he proved haters wrong in landing a major movie role. The timing for his return was just bad because of the way WWE was refusing to protect Daniel Bryan. Batista ended up getting in the crossfire and is almost the poster child for the way things used to be. With the rise of talent like Daniel Bryan, the WWE fan base has sent a message. That message is overall ability supersedes looks. Again I’ll state, I think Batista’s work is fine but it’s just the perception his look brings. It also doesn’t help things that he won the Royal Rumble and Bryan wasn’t even an entrant. We have more on Vince McMahon’s reaction to Batista here on WrestlingNewsWorld.com.

With all signs currently pointing to Bray Wyatt vs. John Cena at Wrestlemania XXX, that must mean The Shield vs. The Wyatt Family at Elimination Chamber will be a blowoff match. How do you feel about this? Would you rather see a rematch between the two factions (possibly with some sort of gimmick) at Wrestlemania, or Bray vs. Cena?

If WWE goes forward with the plan to do Bray Wyatt vs. John Cena at Wrestlemania XXX, they could always do Erick Rowan & Luke Harper vs. Seth Rollins & Dean Ambrose. I’ve heard Roman Reigns’ name come up in singles matches, although one proposed opponent was actually Ambrose. The first time I heard the plan of Cena vs. Wyatt, I was completely against it. However, after seeing how ready Bray is to take the next step in his work at Royal Rumble, I’m for the match. Bray Wyatt could use the opportunity to really help his career – the real question will be whether or not WWE has enough confidence to put him over Cena at the biggest show of the year.

Am I wrong or does the hype surrounding the match between The Shield and the Wyatt Family seem to be bigger than the Elimination Chamber match itself?

There is a lot of excitement about The Shield vs. The Wyatt Family at Elimination Chamber and I think the build has been brilliant. I’m not sure the hype completely overshadows the Chamber match, considering the winner will go on to headline Wrestlemania XXX but it is at the least a close second. WWE has a big opportunity to showcase six up and coming stars with Roman Reigns and Bray Wyatt potential future headliners.

All I’ve been hearing on sports shows is people talking about who they would put on their Mount Rushmore in sports. Who is on your Mount Rushmore in wrestling?

I’ve had this question before and I even brought it up in a media appearance last month. It’s a hard thing to do but if I had to choose four names for my pro wrestling Mount Rushmore it would have to start with Hulk Hogan. I know there are a lot of stars that came before him and equally good arguments to go with them but Hogan is the reason we have pro wrestling in its current form as a staple of mainstream entertainment. He helped usher in the pro wrestling boom of the 1980s and again in the 1990s. Regardless of what you think about Hogan, there’s just no getting around it. After Hogan, I go to the most successful era in pro wrestling and that is the Attitude Era. The Attitude Era took the foundation laid by Hogan and brought the business another step forward. Steve Austin and The Rock are responsible for leading the charge. Like with Hogan, there are others that preceded it and others that participated in it but it was Austin and Rock that led the charge. That leaves us to today where WWE has become more than a professional wrestling company and now an entertainment juggernaut. They are less than one week away from making history with the WWE Network and now have a grasp on the business like we’ve never seen before. No one has played a bigger role in setting up WWE for this success than John Cena. John is as hardworking as it gets and has been a phenomenal face for the WWE brand as they went from a TV-MA adult wrestling show to a family friendly entertainment empire. That leaves my wrestling Mount Rushmore with Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, The Rock and John Cena. This is going to be controversial and I am by no means trying to slight any worker by excluding them. However, I am taking the biggest faces and putting them together to create what I feel are the four people most responsible for where the business is today. Let’s keep in mind this is also a change from my Mount Rushmore in November 2012 as I am replacing Undertaker with John Cena.  This is not only because of Cena’s career over the past couple of years but also where he has taken WWE as they launch the WWE Network.

From the Ask WNW vault…

December 2012: What’s your Mount Rushmore for WWE Divas? - I used to hate this question for WWE wrestlers but when I included it, a great discussion ensued. Everyone is open to their own opinion but my Mount Rushmore of WWE Divas would be Tammy Sytch, Trish Stratus, “Sensational” Sherri Martel and Mae Young. Tammy Sytch created the modern day Diva, Trish is my pick for the top women’s wrestler in the history of the business, while Sherri and Mae created opportunities that paved the way for them to be successful.

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  • Venom

    Man it feels like a dejavu with this mout Rushmore question even though you made a slight change to one of them.

    Personally I’d have either Rock or Austin since I feel it should be different eras. I also think it should be people that will always know who the wrestler is even if you’re not a wrestling fan. Andre The Giant comes to mind and while I think years ago causal wrestling fans know who undertaker I have a sad feeling 10-20 years from now young people won’t know who he is. This is my opinion but it’s true. I even think 10-20 years people might not remember John Cena (maybe im wrong) but here is why. Hulk Hogan was always associated with red and yellow. Even in general when I see the color red and yellow I automatically think of Hogsn. John Cena has no specific color brand since he changes shirts every 4-6 months. I know it’s a weird statement but again my opinion. I think money wise in this current era Cena has made the most money. But I think Austin and Hogan got people interested in wrestling. The Rock was the most entertaining but he didn’t wrestle very long since he got into acting.

    Everyone knows Andre The Giant he should be on stamps. Undertaker and Shawn Michaels can be on a strictly wrestlemania Rushmore.

    • Junior

      The Undertaker is beyond Wrestlemania. If you check the main event scene. His name pops up more often than others. That man is damn-near immobilized because of his great work for WWE.

  • http://wrestlingnewsworld.com/ Theophilus McFadden

    Batista can’t get arrested these days. He’s over only slightly more than Curtis Axel is. This might also just be that WWE audiences moved on from him. Not everyone can come back to extraordinary crowd reactions. It seems Batista’s time has simply passed.

  • Guest

    For the record (and with all due respect,) any Divas “Rushmore” without Moolah can’t be taken seriously. The list of of Divas she trained is pretty phenomenal and I doubt there’d even be a Divas division now without her.

  • http://wrestlingnewsworld.com/ Theophilus McFadden

    For the record (and with all due respect) any “Rushmore” that doesn’t have Moolah on it can’t be taken seriously. She trained who knows how many of them. Without her, there’s no Diva’s Division to speak of.

    • http://wrestlingnewsworld.com/ Theophilus McFadden

      I think Wendi Richter just “neg’d” me. COOL!!!

      • Bob’s Diner

        Gosh you really don’t like when people give you a vote down, do you?

        • http://wrestlingnewsworld.com/ Theophilus McFadden

          Nope. I lay awake at night in a cold sweat wondering just exactly where I’ve gone wrong. You wouldn’t believe the amount of money I’ve spent in therapy! I remain in a constant state of self-doubt due to them – a state I may never truly know the end of.

      • JR Texx (Jamie)

        had to give you a negative. too much temptation.

        • http://wrestlingnewsworld.com/ Theophilus McFadden

          I’ll send you the bill, then…LOL!!!!

          • JR Texx (Jamie)

            Must… resist.. urgh.. oops sorry.

    • Jbreed

      The most deserving diva is Ms. Elizabeth.

  • Eddie Edwards

    I think there is 0% chance of Bray Wyatt going over clean vs Cena at WM. It will either be Wyatt winning dirty or Cena over clean.

    • BIG M

      Yep most likely.
      Cena never loses clean and WWE wonders why people get bored with him.
      Learn to deal with it mate like I have because that idiotic way of booking him is never going to change.

      • Venom

        I know at least Randy Orton lost clean to Cesaro. Sure the Cena/Cesaro match was great but like seriously? He couldn’t have given him a win going into the chamber and then Cena could have gotten his heat back by pinning Cesaro at Elimination Chamber? Then next night on RAW have a rubber rematch where Cena wins by DQ thanks to Bray Wyatt? Hopefully this happens only with Cesaro pinning Cena at the Chamber.

        • Jbreed

          I’m tired of John Cena always winning too but we need to realize something, the wrestlers don’t decide the outcome of the match. It’s the WWE management and more specifically Vince McMahon who makes those decisions. McMahon protects guys like Cena by having him go over most of the time.

          • Venom

            I know it’s not Cena, the mans fault. Vince is known to like having few people on top. But of Ransy Orton is willing to lose clean to Cesaro, they couldn’t do the same with Cena losing him? It’s like the Damien Sandow MITB match all over again. Like I said I hope they have Cesaro pinning Cena at the Chamber. Not saying I think Cesaro should win but have Cesaro pin him and then while he’s got his hands in the air maybe Orton or Bryan or Sheamus steal a pin on Cesaro

          • Bob’s Diner

            I’m confused – it isn’t John Cena’s fault he won, but Randy Orton was ‘willing’ to lose?
            That makes no sense.

            It’s all about booking; John Cena beating everyone makes him look untouchable and if someone does happen to beat him, that becomes a big deal. Randy Orton is being made to look like he has no chance of winning the elimination chamber, so it will be a ‘surprise’ when he wins.

            I’m more confused by the booking of Christian; he was the only man in the main event to not get a win over Orton and then lost to Sheamus as well. Oh wow he looks like such a credible threat now. The H must really have something up his nose about the guy…

          • Venom

            My criticism isn’t blaming the wrestler nor am I praising a wrestler. I’m stating my opinion about creative booking. In every movie the hero has to face obstacles, get beat and overcome it. When was the last time Cena got his ass kicked and lost to the point that you can’t wait to see him get his revenge? Again, this is my opinion about the creative booking. Like Cena comes back from surgery and in a second beats Del Rio twice in arm wrestling. Then the night after having his first match and winning the WHC he gets attacked by Sandow and wins clean. Had he lost that match fans would be eager for a rematch and some would want Cena to get revenge and win the title back.

        • Nicki Bella

          John deserves to be champion. All you haters deal with it.

          • Venom

            Sadly someone who doesn’t understand the business…

      • Xavier

        Thiat argument holds no weight, never has. Cena’s lost more matches CLEAN as “the face of the company” then Bruno, Backlund, Hogan & Austin did combined when they were the “face of the company” but nobody ever booed them. IF the IWC existed back when those guys were on top they would booed them to, especially Hogan & Austin with the way they conducted themselves backstage and the way they often times refused to put people over. That’s the only difference between those guys getting cheered and Cena getting mixed reactions, the IWC. Cena isn’t booked any differently then any other top guy Vince or his dad has ever pushed.

        • Junior

          I’m trying to figure out who you would be talking about, when you say that Austin refused to put people over. The only time I have EVER heard that was in reference to Brock Lesnar. Personally, I feel he had a legitimate point. Why put someone over when it has no purpose or possibility of a return match.

          • BIG M

            Actually Austin did refuse to put over Triple H at Sumerslam 99 leading up to Mick Foley being champion for a night till he dropped it to the H man the next night on Raw which made no sense storyline wise and really craped on Foley’s legacy.

          • GOR

            The bottom-line is Cena is good in 3 things: in Gym, in PR, in being bookers’ puppet as he has told on austin’s podcast himself.
            People would stop hating him so much if he would stop repeating n overkilling everything. His character, promos, matches, moves, superman endurance, nice guy behavior everything. He just needs to change or step-down from main-event n he’ll be forgiven.
            Again, u could argue that he is just doing wat he’s told. but a guy like him can definitely have a say in wat goes on if he wants to. If he just does wat he’s told then he is as stupid as hell for not realizing how much damage he is doing to himself.
            In that case he would indirectly deserve major heat.

          • Xavier

            Walking out because you don’t wanna put some one over is a B**** move IMHO either way you slice it, even Hogan put Lesnar over clean on free tv back in 2002. Austin also refused to put over Jeff Jarrett and pretty much had creative scrap that feud all together in late 99 when the WWE wanted to push Jarrett as a upper midcard heel. He also walked out on the WWE in late 05 because he didn’t wanna lose a match dirty to The Coach in that angle involving Jim Ross getting his job back so WWE had to replace him with Batista in that match at Taboo Tuesday and ditch the Jim Ross angle all together.

          • Venom

            The people that you’re mentioning though we’re already over and had political power at the time. Randy Orton even before his 2nd wellness violation put people over. Heck he lost to Kane at WM. He lost a lot to Bryan before summerslam. He just out Cesaro over clean. So far wrestlers who are just climbing that ladder once they meet Cena things go down hill. Again this is creative and Cena the man doing his job.

            I think Orton from what I’ve read is a loser. Has stopped pushes on people like Kofi and got Anderson fired. But creative wise he’s not booked as superman so if he won something as a viewer you believe he achieved something. When Cena wins a match against someone big it’s like “oh we’ll”. But when if he loses clean it’s a huge surprise. It’s to the point it’s not so and so just beat Cena. Its more like Cena just lost to so and so.

            I’m no Austin fan either. He was supposed to do a program with Jarrett, kept stunning him every week to build a program and once it was decided to take it to the next level Austin backed out. He had no problem stunning him for no reason every week but thats all.

          • Xavier

            Doesn’t matter, he still lost clean. You can’t complain he doesn’t lose clean then say it doesn’t count when he does lose clean. A clean lose is a clean lose either way you slice it.

            You keep saying things go downhill for people Cena encounters but guys like Edge, Sheamus, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, The Great Khali, Umaga (if he were alive) & RVD would disagree with you

          • Venom

            He’s rarely putting people over and when he does it’s people that are established. Sheamus can be an exception but he is Tripke Hs guy. It’s like Hogan refusing to lose to a smaller guy like Bret Hart bit agreed to lose to Yokozuna cause he’s bigger.

            But even you kind of have to agree with something. The last few years the Internet fans have been behind Ryder, Ziggler, Bryan and Punk. These same fans the majority if them are anti Cena. With exception to Ziggler all of them ended up teaming with Cena or buddy buddy with Cena. Does that make sense?

          • Xavier

            It makes sense too me. I never understood why Punk & Bryan fans are so anti Cena. Cena did a lot to help elevate Punk as a top guy for good. That feud in 2011 launched Punk to new heights. Punk would be the 1st to put Cena over in interviews or at house shows on the mic and say so. Cena & Bryan from my understanding are very close now because of who they are dating. Cena did the job clean to him as well so I can certainly see why Punk & Bryan are cool with Cena, why wouldn’t they be?

          • Venom

            Ts all fine and dandy this person puts over that person in interviews. These are real people who are hard workers and they put them over in non kayfabe interviews. I’m talking about storyline characters. Punk was feuding with Cena and launched his career which is great but then he became buddy buddy with him especially after the Triple H walkout. It wasn’t until almost a year later they feuded again.

            And I’m a fan of Punk the wrestler but think he’s a douche in real life especially when he got a girl fired for not living the straight edge gimmick in her on personal time. I just think the Ryder’s, Bryan’s and Punk fans that liked them the majority were anti Cena. It’s almost like creative (not John Cena but creative) ends up pairing these guys with him so their fans can accept him. The smart thing would let these young guys with a new fan base feud with a potential heel Cena. Then there would be more money on the table.

            At the end of the day best for business is supposed to be more $$$ for WWE. All this is just more $$$ for Cena since he’s the one crushing everyone and main eventing. When he gets injured WWE scrambles.

        • BIG M

          Here we go again on Cena LOL.
          Look what I was trying to say was that Cena rarely loses 100% clean.
          I know thats usually the way with NO. 1 guys in all big promotions past and present. But even guys like Bruno in the 70′s, Hogan in the 80′s and mid 90′s and Austin in the Attitude era had more than a few 100% clean losses Hell Hogan had dozens in WCW both as a face and a heel.
          Granted Cena lost Sumerslam clean but they kept playing up his injury as possibly the reason he lost cheapening DB’s win even more than the Authority screw job angle.
          And yes he lost clean to Orton at TLC but they played it up as this huge tragedy which is ridicules.
          I know you and I will never agree on Cena but can we at least agree that a clean win against someone like Orton or Triple H back in the day happens more often than a clean win on Cena.

          • Xavier

            LOL. Bruno lost one match clean bro when he was the top guy, same with Hogan. And Austin didn’t lose clean very often either when he was “the guy”. I can’t recall if Backlund ever lost clean as “the guy” either until he lost the title to The Iron Sheik. People never believe me when I say this but it’s true though if you go back and look at Bruno, Backlund, Hogan & Austin’s careers when they were that top babyface they lost fewer times CLEAN combined then Cena did. It doesn’t getting pointed out often because the IWC didn’t exist with Bruno, Backlund & Hogan and it was just getting started with Austin. If the internet didn’t exist non one would really have a issue with Cena. From 2005-Present Cena has lost 14 matches clean.

          • BIG M

            Austin lost to Triple H at No mercy 99 and No way out 2001 he lost to Angle clean in 2001 Undertaker clean in 2001 The Rock at Mania 19 etc.
            Hogan lost to Warrior at mania 6 Roddy Piper, Sting, Goldberg, lex luger, The Giant a.k.a Big Show and Kevin Nash in WCW The Rock at Mania 18, Taker in Judgment day 2002 etc.
            Brett Hart lost clean to Bob Backlund in 94, HBK at Mania 12 and Steve Austin in Surviver Series 96 I could go on and on mate LOL.
            And before the internet and like it or not when Hart lost the Title to Backlund clean (kind off) in 94 people didn’t buy it and some even cried fowl so they made him drop the title to Nash in a house show for heavens sake.
            Sorry mate but I’m afraid on this issue we are once again sadly at odds.

          • Xavier

            How many of Hogan & Austin’s clean loses came as a heel though? Cena has 14 clean loses as the top face. And the No Mercy match wasn’t clean. Rock accidentally hit Austin with a Sludge Hammer I believe. But you’re right, like Heath Ledger said, we are destined to do this forever lol

          • BIG M

            Ok my mistake on No mercy 99 but he lost a few matches clean in 99 I’m sure of it just can’t for the life of me remember them probably remember them hours after we stop talking LOL.
            Back to point though I don’t think it maters if your working Heel or Face at the time if your still the NO.1 man in the company do you.
            I mean If your the NO.1 guy full stop your the NO.1 guy full stop Heel or Face.
            Austin was Hell in 2001 and he had about half his clean loses as Heel and half when he was a Face in 98-99 2002-2003.
            Same as Hogan in 84-95 2002-2003 (Face) 95-2002 Heel.
            Cena’s lost 14 matches clean since 2005 ok but how many unclean wins has he had and yes you can be a face and have an unclean win EG Hogan winning the title after Taker hit Triple H with a chair.
            All Im saying is in a pure storyline sense is Cena’s win-loss record is a little too one sided even for the NO.1 guy in WWE today and thats why so many fans (again not just internet ones) are a little bored with “Super Cena” if you will allow that IWC reference we are both critical off LOL.

          • BIG M

            Yeah we are destined to do this forever thank goodness its my day off otherwise id be late for for work LOL.

          • opie

            Xavier listed more clean losses for Cena than anyone you just named. Also, switching titles at house shows actually happened occasionally back in those dark days before the Attitude Era.

          • Venom

            Otta say this. We arnt Cena haters. You and Xavier are jut Cena lovers. And our convo above about Del Rio, you can turn anyone into a star with a little confidence and commitment. Look at your beloved Cena. And I mean look at his face. I mean with that hair cut what’s the difference between him and Lance Storm? Heck Lance was a better wrestler, his promos in WCWZ were entertaining. The only difference is management/creative giving him the oppurtunity. WWE doesn’t do that. They focus on a handful of people. They want us to buy tickets and order their products we have the rights to voice our opinions.

            At least us “Cena Haters” give him credit where credit Is due. You and Xavier feel like you guys are right and were all wrong.

          • opie

            You remember that time Austin quit the company because he refused to put over a rising star? Crucial to this debate…

        • Eddie Edwards

          I only remember Cena losing 2 matches clean in I don’t know how many years. The Rock at WM 28 and Daniel Bryan at Summerslam last year.

          • Xavier

            Batista at Summerslam 08, JBL at the GAB 08 Triple H at NOC 08 and on a episode of RAW before Bragging Rights 09, he also lost clean to Orton at HIAC 09, a tables match on RAW in 10 and at TLC this past year. He even lost clean to Big Show on RAW once before WM25 and to The Great Khali on a episode of SNME in 07. He also lost to Sheamus at TLC 09 clean and if I’m not mistaken he lost to Lord Tensai clean on RAW in 2012. Oh and he lost to Michaels clean on RAW back in 07 in a Iron Man match

          • Eddie Edwards

            Gimmick matches like Tables matchs don’t count in my book. I remember specifically when Sheamus beat him people said it was just so Cena wouldn’t be pinned. I’m almost positive Cena never losed clean to Tensai on Raw. So that’s still twice in 4 years. I enjoy watching Cena work. I just get frustrated with the booking.

          • Xavier

            Why don’t they count? There was no interference whatsoever. That counts bro. Cena lost to Sheamus clean for the title, that counts.

          • Eddie Edwards

            Because Cena wasn’t pinned. If i remember correctly Sheamus won because him and Cena were on the top rope and Cena “fell” backwards. I’m not trying to bash Cena. I just don’t like knowing he is almost always going to go over.

          • Xavier

            Doesn’t matter, he went thru the table though and Sheamus did it without interference, that’s clean. You think Hogan or Austin would of been willing to job the title out for a guy who had barely been on the main roster 6 months?

          • Eddie Edwards

            No I don’t.

          • Stephen Heim

            Tensai beat Cena right after he came back.

        • Snap

          Let’s use Hulk Hogan as an example here, the main difference between Cena and Hogan is, whatever your overall view of Hogan is, Hogan knew how to sell his opponent. When Hogan was attacked by Earthquake on the Brother Love Show, did Hogan just get back to his feet and get on the mic like it was business as usual? No, he had to be HELPED to the back by Roddy Piper and Randy Savage.

          Cena, on the other hand, can’t even sell losing a championship. How much does it really mean to him if he shows up on RAW the night after losing it and is all smiles and acting like he doesn’t have a care in the world? Sure, the belts are just props but when they are blatantly TREATED as props it just devalues them that much more.

          Finally, with Cena, he completely neutered CM Punk’s title reign by claiming it was “insignificant” because he (Cena) wasn’t fighting for it. I’ll give Cena the benefit of the doubt, if he was told to say that then damn the writer who scripted his promo but if Cena just goes out there and says what he wants, then he is single-handedly responsible for the damage done to the credibility of the WWE championship.

          In my view, all Cena has to do to stop getting booed so badly is to stop insulting our intelligence whenever he gets on the mic. I’ll allow the possibility that he may have gotten better, but I change the channel whenever Cena is involved so I don’t know the content of his recent material.

          • Xavier

            Get out of here with that non sense. You’re really gonna try and sit up here and try and tell me that Cena’s shoot on Punk damaged the prestige of the WWE title. YOu Cena haters take hate to a whole other level sometimes. It’s really funny at this point. If Cena cuts a great edgy promo you guys will still find a way to hate on it, if it’s a corny promo you guys will say he doesn’t have enough edge.

            If I can recall, I remember Cena selling the attacks of Umaga, The Great Khali, Randy Orton and Nexus very well.I don’t ever recall Cena getting the snot beat out of him then immediately jumping to his feet and getting on the mic. He got carted off after being punted in the head and when Umaga out him thru a table. He got stretchered out when Nexus beat him down as well. So I really don’t recall what beat down you’re talking about where he just jumped back to his feet. Oh and unlike Hogan, Cena doesn’t Hulk Up.

            And when has Cena ever been all smiles after losing a title. I remember when he lost his WM opportunity at NWO in 08, he wasn’t all smiles after that. Or when Edge cashed in on him, I don’t recall him being all smiles after that either. So again, please tell me which promos you’re talking about?

            Oh and I hate to break it too you but Cena has always been really good so I really don’t how much better he could be. He’s been the top guy this long for a reason. If he wasn’t any good Vince would of never put him there in 1st place

          • Venom

            Cena is a top guy because he’s in great shape, knows how to wrestle and has great work ethic. I give him all that. He’ll work hurt and comes back before schedule cause he loves the business. He was in the west coast the Tuesday before the network press conference to promote his own personal product then flew for a meaningless dark match then back when he didn’t have to. Any other wrestler will request time off if they’re hurt. But not Cena.

            Again, you’re missing the point. People are criticizing the booking and writing. Not the man doing his job. The same people who are anti Cena arnt necessarily Hogan fans either.

            And Cena may not “hulk up” but he does similar things when he gets his comeback.

            But explain after get his ass kicked by sandow he just won clean and sandows career just went down the drain even though the match was entertaining like Cesaros maybe even more. I was more interested in the sandow match since a lot was on he line.

            What about coming back and easily beating the WHC who went through a bunch of wrestlers himself twice in one second in arm wrestling? Made Del Rio look like a joke. Sure he could have beat him after a little struggle but no struggle at all.

            Again since you seem to forget we’re not talking about John Felix Cena. We’re talking about the lame booking.

          • Xavier

            See WWE booking since 1963. Cena isn’t being booked any differently then any other top face they’ve ever had, the only difference between Cena and everyone else the McMahon’s have pushed in that #1 face role was was that the IWC didn’t exist when those other guys had their run. Not saying I agree with everything the WWE does all the time but for people to point and put all the blame on Cena for everything that goes wrong with the company or try and accuse Cena of derailing people’s pushes or trying to steal spotlight is beyond ridiculous at this point. People act this dude is Kevin Nash or the 90s version of Shawn Michaels or something

            Cena beating Del Rio for the belt isn’t any different then the way CM Punk or Big Show beat him for the belt. And Del Rio hardly looked like a joke, both of those matches late last year were good

            And you say Sandow’s career went down the drain after he faced Cena but wasn’t he already jobbing all the time before Cena? How many times did Cody beat him in like 5 minutes after Sandow won the MITB match? I agree though that I would of had Sandow go over in that situation but to say that he was buried because of that match isn’t entirely fair considering he was already on a huge losing streak before hand. Sandow looked more credible in his match with Cena then he did against anyone else he lost to during his losing streak

          • Venom

            I’m talking about Cena beating Del Rio in arm wrestling twice in less then a second. He beat Del Rio in a second Del Rio claims he wasn’t ready Cena being the nice guy that he is offered him a rematch right away and again beat him in a second. please read carefully.

            And understand i said WWE booking is the issue. How Vince loves to have focus on a few people at a time. Sure WWE had a champion for 7 years I’m sure if we had the Internet the we’d complain. People complained about Jarrett holding the TNA title forever at one point. We are complaining of WWE shoving the same person down our throat. I’m sure if Daniel Bryan was given a monster push for 10 years we’d be sick of him too.

          • opie

            Let’s be real. Del Rio is kind of a joke.

          • Venom

            Why? Because WWE made him tht. He’s a great wrestler. I don’t like his promos but that’s just me. Whe Cena was given a chance to pick his summerslam opponent they had del Rio who was the WHC stand with the roster wanting a shot at the WWE Championship. They crapped on the world champion and the title itself. It’s like imagine the WHC competing in the royal rumble so he can challenge the wwe champion.

          • opie

            That’s not just you. His promos aren’t good. I like him as a wrestler, but I wouldn’t call him great. He’s just good. The “Si!” thing he does before the armbreaker, with the wrist-slapping and all, it’s about as bad as Orton’s little spin-fall-and-pound-the-mat thing. To be honest, he’s just not that interesting. David Arquette was more interesting when he had the big gold belt than Del Rio…

          • Snap

            Cena’s almost ALWAYS all smiles when he makes his appearance on RAW after losing a title, it’s like he just cannot sell the disappointment of losing what is supposed to be the biggest prize in the industry. A prime example: the night after SummerSlam. Compare his intro to that of Daniel Bryan and you will see the difference that SELLING what happen can make.

            As for being a Cena “Hater” well… Cena “Sheep” like you simply cannot take a step back and look at things objectively. Like I said, I will give Cena the benefit of the doubt if he had that garbage scripted for him but Cena denouncing Punk’s title reign because he wasn’t defending it against Cena just makes Cena look arrogant and egotistical. Furthermore, I’m not taking anything away from Cena’s abilities in the ring but his promos, what I’ve seen of them, leave a LOT to be desired. It’s like Cena thinks “PG” means pre-school.

            Just look at the Extreme Rules match Cena had with Brock Lesnar. Brock dominated Cena but Cena got the win at the end and immediately no sold the beating by getting on the mic with some typical Cena schtick.

            Vince has kept Cena in the top spot because he found a market with the kids and leads merchandise sales. Not taking anything away from that, good for Cena. Merchandise is the one thing Cena can sell.

            By the way, a so-called “hater” wouldn’t acknowledge the positives about the person they supposedly “hate” and while it’s true that I can’t stand Cena (that’s not a crime, despite how much the sheep may make it out to be) I’ll give him his props where they’re due. Agree or disagree, I really couldn’t care less, I’m entitled to my opinion just as much as you are entitled to yours.

            You’re welcome.

          • Venom

            Well said bro well said. Remember when Brock Lesner made his return and it was supposed to be this former MMA champion who’s supposed to be unstoppable and punched Cena giving him a bloody lip I think required stitches? What did Cena do? He was smiling!

      • Eddie Edwards

        I enjoy watching Cena and think he is a great worker. It’s the booking the frustrates me. Cena and Cesaro had a 5 star match on Raw but I knew the whole time Cena was going over. It’s just frustrating when it’s that predictable.

    • GOR

      Dude he didnt go under for HBK. wats the chance for wyatt ?!

  • James Thornton

    Me, personally, my Mount Rushmore would have Bruno Sammartino, Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold, John Cena

    • Venom

      See another person who deserves to be in it but is often overlooked is Bruno Sammartino. It’s probably because his era wasn’t that popular or memorable for today’s fans unlike Stone Cold or Hogan or Cena.

    • Junior

      My Rushmore would be Hogan, Stone Cold, Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker.

  • Venom

    I think the troll doing the downvoting is at it again.

  • tone

    Ric Flair deserves to be on anybody’s list. IMO he is the best

    • Junior

      He has probably logged more in-ring time than any other wrestler in history.

      2 of his best matches were not too long ago. The ladder match with Edge. And his “retirement” match. The latter is one of my favorites, mostly because it showed he still knew how to tell a story.

  • SweetCyn

    If you look at a Mount Rushmore from a buisness point of view, you still can’t put Cena on that list. Since he became the face of the company buy rates and ratings have dropped, almost systematically, every year. People have stopped watching, and changed the channel to UFC or football or whatever else is on tv on Mondays. And this isn’t just casual fans, its diehards that at one time lived and breathed wrestling, and now they hate it, you can blame creative, (and tbey deserve it), but in all that time, who had tbe most tv time. I’m not saying its all his fault, but he didn’t make things any better.
    My personal Mount Rushmore would be, Taker, Shawn, Austin and Bret, and their just based on their talent and how much they sacrificed to entertain us, even after what I said above, I can’t look at it from a drawing perspective, and I don’t think any fan should. We didn’t make any money off them, Vince did.

    • Venom

      I think John Cena the man knows how things are wrong with WWE. At least that’s what it sounds like from the podcast he did with Austin. I think WWE put all their eggs in one basket and he’s just doing his job.

    • Xavier

      If your gonna leave Cena off for the reasons you listed then how could you put Hart & Michaels then? When they were on top from 92 to 96 ratings were much worse then they were with Cena on top.

      • Venom

        I think the only case for Bret Hart is that Canadian fans are super loyal to him. Its probably the only reason why I was a Bret Hart mark growing up.

        • Xavier

          I was a huge Hart fan myself as a kid. But he’s going off a business stand point then Hart should be nowhere on that list. Although Cena wasn’t the draw that Hogan or Austin were he’s still clearly 3 or 4 on the list of guys who drew. Maybe with The Rock or Andre being ahead of him

          • Venom

            But I don’t think it should be just business. It should be business, popularity and legacy. Legacy as in will people remember that person 20 years from now that even people who don’t know anything about wrestling, if they hear that persons name they automatically know its associated with wrestling like Hulk Hogan and Andre The Giant. Like while it sucks nobody has mentioned him since he always was 2nd to Hogan bit Macho Man people know who it is.

          • Xavier

            I agree it shouldn’t be based off business solely but that’s what he was citing as his reason for leaving guys off his list

      • Bob’s Diner

        Agreed. And I’m a gigantic Bret Hart fan. But if you are going to say John Cena can’t be on there because of how business does now, you can’t turn around and say Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels and Undertaker should be on there

      • David Jr.

        I also have a problem when people compare ratings and buyrates of eras. When Hogan was at top cable television was relatively new. Then during the Attitude era, while cable television had grown . But now, you’re entertainment comes from so much. Be it television, cell phones, computers, tablets, ipads, xbox, playstation, etc. Also, how many people are streaming ppvs online.

  • BIG M

    I still don’t quite understand Batista’s motivation for coming back.
    I mean its not the money as Richard pointed out “Dave Batista movie star” isn’t as far fetched as it seems anymore.
    He’s gotten some meaty supporting roles in “OK” movies like The Man With The Iron Fists and Riddick even before he landed Guardians of the Galaxy.
    And that movie and its inevitable sequels will no doubt give him a big pay day.
    And as I understand it he left the company originally because he didn’t like WWE going PG and felt it was a step backwards in the quality of programming (specifically his programs I’m sure was his biggest concern) and 4 years later WWE is still PG and he is now back.
    Maybe he does love Pro Wrestling that much and wanted to come back for a last hurrah before his movie career really takes off after Guardians.
    But if he did love Pro Wrestling that much why did he leave in the first place hence my confusion.

    • Xavier

      Very good point bro. I wonder what his motivation for coming back was as well.

      • BIG M

        Well whatever his reasons are I’m glad he’s back……is what I would be saying if he chose any other time to return other than this years Rumble which lets be honest should have been Bryan’s.
        I know we have all harped on that subject but I think it would have been a given considering how over DB is.

        • Xavier

          I have mixed emotions on it. I’m against part guys coming back around this time of the year but I give Batista credit for agreeing/wanting to comeback full time and not just appear on certain dates. So you won’t see me hate on Batista too much on here. You put it perfectly though, he came back at the absolute wrong time with Bryan’s popularity. What’s so ironic about this whole is situation is that a little less then a decade ago it was Batista who was getting the reactions that Bryan is getting now. My how times change lol.

          • BIG M

            Thats the nature of the Pro Wrestling industry any entertainment industry actually.
            Whats hot yesterday might not be hot today.
            If a singer or actor takes a break for a few years to recharge and try new things comes back to a changed audience, changed genres, a completely changed industry he/she has 2 options try re doing the same type of stuff and hope its successful with there hopefully still loyal and even more hopefully still large fan base.
            Or they embrace the changes made in there absence and try to re invent themselves within the changed medium.
            And try to work with some the new faces who’ve made it big in there absence for nothing else if not mutual creative and financial benefit.
            Pro Wrestling is no different.

    • Jbreed

      Triple H probably got on kis knees and begged Batista to come back. Anyway, Batista is nothing but a hypocrite for coming back to the same product he left and criticized.

    • JR Texx (Jamie)

      Possibly didn’t do as well as he’d hoped outside of WWE? So he comes back and he’s straight at the top?

      My best guess anyway

    • Bob’s Diner

      My only theory is they appealed to his ego – which I am sure we can all agree is way larger than it should be. The guy seems to think he was more important to wrestling than he ever was. But my guess is they promised a big final run with the guarantee of winning the Royal Rumble and the main event at WrestleMania, along with the Hall of Fame at the end of it all. Not to mention a lot of money

    • K!NG

      Maybe he did miss it after all which is why he came back. Same goes for the rock. if they didnt have no love or passion for it they would just stay away. When Batista left 4 years ago his heel character was the best role of his career. I know people are going to dis-agree but workers that his build and size could learn a lot from him.

  • Jay El Bee

    Batista’s return is only flop if you’re talking about the way he’s been used, his return was the most watched show since the Rock was around last year and yet the WWE barely gives him 5 minutes a week. It’s no wonder the nearly half a million viewers his return brought in have already quit watching, or at least quit watching the show live.

  • Xavier

    Personally I feel that Mt. Rushmore for wrestling (WWE specifically) has too have Hogan & Austin on it. After those two is where the real debate comes into play. With 2 spots left you could make a strong case for Andre, Cena, Bruno, Rock or Taker.

    • http://wrestlingnewsworld.com/ Theophilus McFadden

      “Mount Rushmore”‘s are hard. There may be one obvious name on both Superstar and Diva (Hogan and Moolah for me) but, beyond that, it’s a toss-up between any of a dozen or so names. And, of course, the moment you solidify your own, you start second-guessing it. LOL!

      • Xavier

        Very true. 4 just isn’t enough. You think if I leave Flair off mind Flair will call me and personally & sarcastically thank me for leaving him off the way Bill Russell did with LeBron? Lol

  • Jbreed

    Besides the Royal Rumble and a few 2 miute appearances on Raw Batista really has been invisible.

  • BMGabe

    ” I love the fact he proved haters wrong in landing a major movie role.”
    Not like he landed the role due to his acting ability.

    That’s like saying Kevin Nash is a creditable actor for landing his role in The Punisher and we all saw what he actually did in that movie

    • Jbreed

      And it’s not like he’s up against greats like a Clint Eastwood, Al Pacino or a Robert De Niro. Anybody could land an acting role these days.

      • Junior

        No other wrestler will touch The rock.

  • Stephen Cash

    I’m so tired of people leaving out Ambrose and Rollins in the future main eventers category…. They are also future stars it’s not just reigns…

    • gta4801 .

      Well when they debuted it was the other way round it was dean Ambrose and seth rollins the future of the company and roman reigns

    • Michael Andrew Smith

      ppl also need to remember rollins was the first ever nxt champ as a face, and whilst still a face champ debuted as a heel

  • John

    The Shield vs. The Wyatt’s should definitely be happening at WrestleMania. That match is 10x bigger than Cena/Bray & Reigns/Ambrose. Turning Roman Reigns on any other show besides WrestleMania would be a mistake if you want it to be a big deal. I also hate the way they had Bray Wyatt attack Cena at the Royal Rumble then for the next few weeks after that only for them to now be acting like it never even happened! It’s almost as if WWE have no clue what they are doing from one month to the next.

  • Mike H. from Indiana

    How can you not have a Mount Rushmore of pro wrestling without Ric Flair?

    • Bob’s Diner

      You realise you are using a double negative? Therefore, you would be questioning a Mount Rushmore of pro-wrestling featuring Ric Flair…
      I would too. He has no business being on one – he was never a draw or brought anything to any wrestling company, especially not WWE.

  • Junior

    Trying to figure out why Undertaker isn’t discussed more with the names he mentioned. The Undertaker is the measuring stick for every promotion. Yes, he may not have been the face, or the overall favorite in WWE, but when you take the fact that he had given WWE 2 decades and never left, didn’t take his ball and leave and produced some of the best programs in any era. In my opinion, I don’t think anyone has earned respect on the level that Undertaker has. A big man who put on great matches with all shapes and sizes. He was also a guy that helped to establish some legit stars. His program with Brock Lesnar comes to mind. Lesnar got his mark as a legitimate brawler/tough guy, until he went up against the Undertaker. He has stayed relevant, changed and gave beyond all he could. I just feel he is the greatest in WWE history. Yes the names he’s mentioned are great, but look at Undertaker vs those names. Hell, with 2 of those names, Rock & Cena, they took a backseat to him 2 ‘Mania’s in a row. No one can argue that. And the Undertaker is in his twilight years with enough injuries to be compared to Mick Foley.

  • Charlie

    I’m sick of people saying ONLY Roman Reigns is a future headliner. All three of them will be. There is no breakout star of the shield because all of them are phenomenal

    • _lawrenc1

      I’ll agree with you about 2, not 3. Reigns and Rollins can be superstars. Ambrose? He’s a fantastic worker, but he just is too unorthodox in his style to get to that one extra level.

      • J Vomkrieg

        Yeah, because Roddy Piper was such a small rate star because of his unothodox style.

        • _lawrenc1

          Piper had immeasurable mic skills; Ambrose does not. Piper wasn’t “unorthodox” he was a brawler with a mouth. People paid to see someone like Hogan (pffffffffffft) or Snuka shut him up. Ambrose doesn’t have that skill. Ambrose just doesn’t have that something extra that Piper had.

          • J Vomkrieg

            That is entirely your opinion and thats fine. My opinion. is that I think he has what it takes and hes the one of the shield I most like to watch. I also think the comparison to piper is legit, and i’m not the only one as they even talked about it on raw when Piper and Ambrose went face to face.

          • _lawrenc1

            Personally, I prefer to watch Rollins. He is the best worker in the ring of the three IMHO. Reigns has the look and the bloodline; he certainly can main event someday, as long as they don’t push him too hard too early. Ambrose just hasn’t clicked with me or my older school friends.

      • Charlie

        It’s funny because my friend and I were just talking about it. He agrees with you, but if you go back and watch some of Ambrose’s work with William Regal in FCW, and even his Moxley days, you might see what I and everyone else does

  • Charles

    Bruno Samartino? Ric Flair?
    It’s a good thing there weren’t that many Presidents when they carved the real Mount Rushmore.
    Bill Clinton would probably be there.

    • Bob’s Diner

      I’ll agree on Sammartino but not Flair. Not Flair at all

      • Charles

        Well… nobody seems to mention Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on their NBA Mount Rushmore.
        Much like Ric Flair all he did was dominate for 20 years, win championships and score more than anyone else in history.
        To each is own I guess.

        • Bob’s Diner

          Look at in the context of things; Hulk Hogan changed pro-wrestling forever on 2 occassions. Steve Austin helped usher in a new era. What did Ric Flair ever achieve? Sure, he won lots of championships… but that is what happens when you are friends with people high up in the company. He never lifted the NWA, WCW or WWF/E to any sort of high level

          • Charles

            Ever heard of The 4 Horsemen?
            Kinda big deal once upon a time.
            In the ring, on the mic he set the standard every “heel” aspires to be to this day.
            Woooooooo!!

          • J Vomkrieg

            Ric Flair never achieved the mainstream recognition of Hogan. He was a big deal to wrestling fans, but to the rest of the world? I tell you, growing up outside the US, I never heard of Ric Flair until i got into wrestling. Hogan on the other hand, everyone knew him.

          • Bob’s Diner

            They may have been a ‘big deal’ to wrestling fans in the US, but not around the world and they didn’t have any mainstream appeal. Like it or not, Hulk Hogan was a mainstream star and his affiliation with celebrities such as Cyndi Lauper and Mr. T helped lift WWF to worldwide recognition

          • Venom

            I think people appreciate Flair in that he wasn’t a political guy and promoters chose to make him a star. I guess like Cena in a way.

          • Bob’s Diner

            He was extremely political – still is.

          • Venom

            Actually Lance Storm has a commentary on his site. I think he posted just after Flair retired in WWE. He mentions how Flaor always liked to get pinned. Kinda similar to Terry Funk where he changed a finish of a match to let his opponent go over. Flair is annoying and don’t get me wrong he doesn’t deserve to be on Mount Rushmore cause this is a WWE Mount Rushmore. If it was NWA Mount Rushmore then Flair or maybe the 4 Hoursemen can be on it.

          • Bob’s Diner

            He also calls HHH the greatest wrestler in the world and working in WWF in 1992 was the best time of his life. If that isn’t political, I don’t know what is

          • Venom

            Yeah but he said that near the end of his career. I’m talking like when he was on top. How many top stars from a rival company come to WWF/WWE for a short period of time and win their top title? Shows Vince actually respected him. I still agree with you that for a WWE Mount Rushmore he doesn’t deserve to be on it. He, like Sting, are more NWA/WCW people.

  • jdl

    Overall talent supersedes look? That is so not the case. Bryan is the clear and obvious exception to the rule. Ziggler? Talented, but he’s a pretty big guy with striking style using bright colors and he fits the typical wrestler mold. Punk? Sure, he’s talented and on the small side, but he has a great look. Cena? Huge. Orton? Slightly less huge. Then there’s the new beloved darling, soon to be pushed at the expensive of two wrestlers with talent beyond anything he’ll ever be capable of, Roman Reigns. A man with mediocre promos and a limited move set in the ring who is only going to get a push because he’s big, buff, man pretty and has excelled at a similar “six moves of doom” work rate that guys like Hogan and Cena use. There is no shift in talent vs. looks, it’s always going to be looks over talent and a select few will push past that.

    Bryan is easily the best wrestler in the WWE, the best working in the entire industry today and among the greatest to ever exist, but don’t kid yourself into thinking that he somehow exemplifies a shift in the preference of the viewing public.

  • Gary Robert

    You think Batista HAS a great look? Perhaps he HAD a great look, but if you like Batista because of his look, then you should be severely disappointed in his return because he looks like a shadow of the guy he was, physically. In time, I’m sure he can bulk back up but this MMA body, which is much leaner then hiw past WWE body doesn’t do him any justice as an in-ring presence, imo. The new gear looks silly, also. As for his movie role, he landed it based only on the physique he HAD. He certainly didn’t prove anyone wrong by getting a movie role due to acting ability.

  • Boomgreek

    Who would your mount rushmore be for divas? I would put it as Mae Young, Fabolous Moolah, Trish and Lita

  • _lawrenc1

    I’m certainly going to show my age here (ok, I’ll just tell you that I turn 50 this summer) but my Mt Rushmore of Wrestling would be Bruno Sammartino, Harley Race, Ric Flair, and Lou Thesz. Also, as I’m getting ready to generate a ton of heat here, while Hogan (pffft) may have been the face of moving wrestling mainstream, from the wrestling standpoint, Lou Albano was the brains.

  • Padres4life

    with the USA Today article on Bryan, I think that was even more of a message to the WWE..The guy continues to bring positive publicity to the WWE. The fans have spoken around the world, looks do not matter anymore.

  • kingdook24

    Stone Cold, Bret Hart, HBK, Undertaker.
    My Mount Rushmore of Wrestling.

  • GOR

    Can we hav 2 min. silence for Batista’s booking ?!

  • GOR

    So taker gets put-away y cena ? So much for his work n legend of the streak !

    • GOR

      BDW, its by for y !