Hardcore Matches In WWE, Today’s Title Matches, The Miz A Career Midcarder?, High Risk Spots

I thought Damien Sandow and Dolph Ziggler had a very entertaining hardcore match on this week’s Monday Night Raw. I feel they proved you can have fun hardcore match in a PG environment. Do you see WWE replacing one of mid card titles with the Hardcore title?

I thought Damien Sandow and Dolph Ziggler did great but there were some non-PG spot that I found questionable, more specially the spots focused to the head. I haven’t heard if the spots were pre-approved or if there was any fallout from them but there were some questionable spots. With that being said, the last thing WWE needs is another title. They have a hard enough time utilizing the belts they have, what’s the point in adding another? Furthermore, if Sandow and Ziggler were pushing the envelope, what do you expect for future hardcore bouts? It’s good for WWE to utilize the gimmicks when the situation presents itself but there is no need for yet another useless title.

In the Attitude Era there were numerous wrestlers chasing the WWE Championship, which led to classic triple threat and fatal four way matches… Why is there only two workers in the WWE Championship picture nowadays?

Title matches for the WWE and World Heavyweight Championship respectively have only been singles matches on WWE pay-per-view so far this year, however, that’s just this year. Last year’s Survivor Series featured CM Punk defending the WWE title in a triple threat match against Ryback and John Cena. So WWE still utilizes title matches that feature more than two workers, it’s just not a common scenario. One of the reasons could be attributed to the lack of depth at the top of the card although there is also something to be said about a long-standing one-on-one feud. WWE had a golden opportunity with Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan but blew it with bad booking.

The Miz was a face for almost exactly a year. His time as a face would have to be considered a failure by any measure. Considering the way he turned heel, in a kind-of afterthought segment, and the fact that he’s booked on the pre-show against Kofi Kington, do you think there is any chance that The Miz will return to relevance as a “born-again heel?” Or should he consider himself lucky that he was once a major player and accept that he’ll be a mid-carder for the rest of his career?

I’m not putting a blanket statement on The Miz to the tune of “he’s designated to the mid-card” for the rest of his career,” as that’s something that no one knows for sure. Miz has clearly taken a couple steps back since headlining Wrestlemania XXVII as the WWE Champion but there are arguments on both sides. Some people will say Miz is working where he should be working, while others are discouraged at the regression. I’m more in the middle. I don’t see Miz as a Wrestlemania-closing main event talent but I feel he has a lot more potential than working a pay-per-view pre-show. The Miz is a more effective heel than babyface, so we’ll see if this turns him around.

It seems like whenever a wrestler gets thrown over the top rope, there’s no good way to land. Although, it seems to happen in most WWE matches I see. Do you think it is as dangerous as head shots and should they consider not doing this move as much?

There are proper ways to bump and there are improper ways to bump. As long as a talent is trained to execute the spots correctly, and actually execute them correctly, then I don’t have a problem with them. Accidents do happen but I do not put these high-risk spots in the same category as unprotected chair shots to the head. I push back on almost any type of ban but I am in favor of commonsense protective measures such as disallowing unprotected chair shots to the head and I would rather see workers drop to their knees rather than backside when executing a tombstone piledriver.

From the Ask WNW vault…

April 2012: I have read the accounts of Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart in regards to the infamous Montreal Screwjob at Survivor Series 1997. Both place the blame on one another. Who do you think is telling the truth? - I’ve always heard there are two sides to every story and when you combine both sides, the truth is somewhere in between. The Montreal Screwjob was a bad situation because I can understand how it was no-win on both sides. On one hand if Vince McMahon put Bret Hart over Shawn only for his champion to go to WCW, how does that make WWE look? WCW was really putting the pressure on WWE and it would have been a disaster for their champion to leave for the competition. On the other hand, Vince had told Bret he was going over and Bret felt that his hard work and dedication had earned him the right to leave as champion. Bret was blindsided by the screwjob and he took it very personal. In the end I’m glad Bret and Shawn were able to reconcile their differences and while they’ll probably never be best friends, it was awesome for the business when the beef was squashed a couple years ago.

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  • Wreckerman

    In all fairness a paper drumskin to the head or a balsawood acoustic guitar is hardly the same as a steel chair, Even the old dustbins are hardly made of anything heavier than thin tin…

    • Jesse Sherwood

      I think one of the questionable spots Richard was talking about was Sandow throwing Ziggler head first into the chair in the corner. That made me wince a bit, as I am against any head shots with an object unless it is a special prop where no damage can occur, such as the aforementioned “paper drum”.

    • Jesse Sherwood

      I think one of the questionable spots Richard was talking about was Sandow throwing Ziggler head first into the chair in the corner. That made me wince a bit, as I am against any head shots with an object unless it is a special prop where no damage can occur, such as the aforementioned “paper drum”.

      • Wreckerman

        What made you wince wasn’t Ziggler’s head hitting the steel chair, It was Ziggler selling his head hitting the chair

  • Venom

    I will admit. The Miz does have great facial expressions. Sure he was an annoying face but that was his role and he played it well. He’s also played the whiney heel and the in your face I’m better then u heel.

    When he turned on Kofi and had that evil laugh it actually looked great. Too bad I have a feeling they’ll make him complain that when he was good he didn’t get anywhere and how he doesn’t need the fans. And how guys like orton and Kane attacked him fans would cheer.

    While most will disagree he should do the Steve Austin and while being a heel have him still attack the Wyatt’s, Orton, and Kane.

  • BigMarkLew

    I think we all can agree Bret screwed Bret and he was wrong and he knew it. WWE is not a legitimate competition like boxing or UFC. He was not asked to take an illegal dive. He was asked to do his job. He threw a fit like a baby and Vince made the right call.

    • smark calloway

      boxing and ufc legit ?..they are more of a work than wrestling !!

      • BIG M

        Boxing defeently MMA no way.
        You think UFC is as fake as wrestling you should watch a Cain Velazquez fight.

        • smark calloway

          i didnt mention it being fake , its just not completely legit as they know whos gonna win and loose beforehand and there are definitely planned ” spots ” in their fights

          • BIG M

            Hard to imagine brutal shots you can see and hear those people take are worked out beforehand.
            Not to mention some of the truly frightening knockouts I’ve seen could not possibly be planed.
            Its not like boxers taking a fall you can clearly see there KO’d no tricks.
            There out cold not moving and in some cases quite possibly technically dead for a few seconds.
            Not to mention those real marshal arts chocks they use until a guys head turns pink and looks like its about to pop like a tomato.
            MMA fights are completely legit trust me I’ve been to a few wrestling shows (and some boxing matches) sat front row and while I enjoyed the show I knew like all wrestling fans (and some boxing fans) know that everything was planed beforehand.
            But I’ve also been to a few MMA fights sat in the first row and seen first hand theres no loopholes, no tricks and nothing “worked” (Trust me I’ve tried to find something planed and I couldn’t) just saw two people literally beating each other to a bloody, swollen disgusting pulp.

    • Bob’s Diner

      I’m not saying who was right and who was wrong… but Vince really should have thought about that stuff before asking his champion to go work somewhere else

      Sounds like you’ve been watching too many HHH interviews

      • hazmatt

        Vince didn’t ask his champion to go work somewhere else. WCW offered him more money than WWE could match.
        Sounds like you’ve been listening to . . . well, I’m not really sure what you’ve been listening to.

      • hazmatt

        Vince didn’t ask his champion to go work somewhere else. WCW offered him more money than WWE could match.
        Sounds like you’ve been listening to . . . well, I’m not really sure what you’ve been listening to.

        • Bob’s Diner

          Read the facts; Bret signed a ridiculously long-term contract and Vince went to him and said WWF could no longer afford it. He asked Bret to go ask WCW if their offer was still valid

          Even in the ‘Bret screwed Bret’ speech Vince gave, he said he regretted signing Bret to such a deal and the company financially couldn’t continue with it.

          So I guess I’ve been listening to Bret Hart and Vince McMahon?

        • Bob’s Diner

          Read the facts; Bret signed a ridiculously long-term contract and Vince went to him and said WWF could no longer afford it. He asked Bret to go ask WCW if their offer was still valid

          Even in the ‘Bret screwed Bret’ speech Vince gave, he said he regretted signing Bret to such a deal and the company financially couldn’t continue with it.

          So I guess I’ve been listening to Bret Hart and Vince McMahon?

        • EricDraven86

          Bret mentioned in his book that Vince asked him to reach back out to wcw to see if he could get the deal they had offered him in 1996.

        • EricDraven86

          Bret mentioned in his book that Vince asked him to reach back out to wcw to see if he could get the deal they had offered him in 1996.

    • yuppy

      What if I were to told you the whole thing was a work.

      • Bob’s Diner

        my mind would be blown!

  • Vaneyscopaz

    Sorry but the only person in the wwe right now that kick a Heel and a Faces ass is Cm Punk. Miz cant do that

    • Venom

      I’m just saying that we know this is wrestling and I always hate when logic is ignored. It’s one thing if so much time has passed and people put there differences aside if they have a common enemy and their feud was just wrestling matches not beat downs.

      Like Mark Henry puts Kane out of action then a few months later Kane came back with a mask and walks by Henry and attacks Cena. Makes no sense. Now just because Miz and Fandango or Wade Barrett are heels doesn’t mean they should side since they were feuding over the summer. That’s if they want to take Miz seriously. And I do like the Miz cuz I couldn’t stand him when he started but he grew on me.

  • James

    There should be a triple threat or fatal 4-way match for either the WWE or WHC at Wrestlemania 30. I prefer a fatal 4-way. It would be nice to see something different at Mania for a change. I would love to see Daniel Bryan vs. CM Punk vs. Dolph Ziggler vs. Christian for the WWE Championship.

    • TheBigKing1

      I want to see Daniel Bryan vs CM Punk vs Randy Orton. And I know I’m not the only 1 that wants that.

      • Bob’s Diner

        I want to see them re-enact the first WrestleMania, with a main event of Randy Orton and HHH w/Stephanie McMahon vs John Cena and Robert Patrick (the bad guy from The Marine)

    • BabaBooey

      What about replacing Christian with either Cody Rhodes or Sandow? I’d prefer either of them over Christian, though I’ve never been a fan of Christian.

    • BabaBooey

      What about replacing Christian with either Cody Rhodes or Sandow? I’d prefer either of them over Christian, though I’ve never been a fan of Christian.

  • brad

    Richard, i feel as if you never properly answered the first question as it says “Do you see WWE replacing one of mid card titles with the Hardcore title?” and you kept saying what is the point in them adding another useless title when that wasnt the question

    • http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/ Richard Gray

      My rant was intended to provide an emphatic no.

  • Justin Lal

    The Miz was the right person to be in the main event of Wrestlemania 27. I’m sick and tired of people saying that he didn’t deserve that position simply because of what CM Punk whined about in his DVD. The Miz was more over as a heel than CM Punk was at that time.

    • http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/ Richard Gray

      I didn’t say he didn’t deserve it. I just don’t feel he’s best utilized in that spot. Miz and Punk are cool with one another.

      • Justin Lal

        I didn’t say you felt this way Richard. I was just speaking in general teams because that seems to be the way a lot of people think. Do be quite honest if Punk was in Miz’s position at WM 27 do we think Punk would have stood for that finish? If so he would have been completely overshadowed.

      • TheBigKing1

        He was talking to the general IWC that is extra critical of The Miz, and don’t give credit where credit is due….not you Richard.

    • Bob’s Diner

      He probably was the right person for that position… because that role had absolutely no relevance to WrestleMania or John Cena. That main event was all about The Rock and John Cena. They probably needed the most generic uncharismatic person possible so they didn’t steal any of the attention

    • Bob’s Diner

      He probably was the right person for that position… because that role had absolutely no relevance to WrestleMania or John Cena. That main event was all about The Rock and John Cena. They probably needed the most generic uncharismatic person possible so they didn’t steal any of the attention

      • _JIM_

        Wait… Didn’t Miz headline mania 27 and beat Cena? If so I don’t think Rock wrestled on that show. Rock and Cena wrestled at mania 28 & 29. Rock was just the host for Wrestlemania 27 I think. I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure I’m not…

        • Bob’s Diner

          Yes. Exactly right. And it was ALL about Cena and The Rock. All the build involved The Rock. The Miz won because of The Rock. That match only served to set up The Rock vs John Cena at WrestleMania 28.

          Even Bret Hart got confused by the build to the match, actually thinking it was The Rock vs John Cena.

          It’s like this current ‘Authority’ storyline; Randy Orton is just a bit player – anyone could be champion and the story wouldn’t change. Because the real focus has always been on Big Show and HHH.

          Actually, I will correct myself. Because someone else in Randy Orton’s role would actually make more sense from a storyline perspective

          • Scott Davies

            I think out of that whole fued with The Rock going into WM 28. I think John Cena was better promo wise. Even Richard noted this too. Rock & Cena not so much had beef, but a difference on opinion that Rock sold out. The Rock was not really acknowledging his Wrestling past as his rise for fame, until he returned. I’m not a Cena fan, but they should of had him go over the first time IMO. WM29 to me was the match that should have happened at WM 28 & WWE knew that too.

          • Bob’s Diner

            What does that have to do with this? None of that changes the fact WrestleMania 27 was a vehicle to build WrestleMania 28, which was used to build WrestleMania 29. The Rock has said it was always planned to go the way it did in such a long-term way. Which makes The Miz’s role completely irrelevant – anyone could have been champion and gone over in that match. He was just there because they were pushing Tough Enough and has no personality to distract from the real story that was John Cena and The Rock. Notice as soon as Tough Enough launched and WrestleMania was over, he dropped the belt back to Cena? And they had to include John Morrison in that match to actually make it interesting. Oh look, he was a winner of Tough Enough as well. Coincidence?

      • TheBigKing1

        No, he earned that position….but when The Rock beef started, it kinda overshadowed The Miz and his feud with Cena. Even The Miz admitted that he felt left out, Lol. But that wasn’t planned. The Rock happened to come back, and he had real issues with Cena that was relayed on the TV screen. And that feud was so exciting, it definitely overshadowed Cena feud with The Miz…even though that wasn’t the plan.

        But Miz was certainly the WWE at that time, so he deserved that spot. Punk was second, I believe.

        • Bob’s Diner

          You think that The Rock just happened to come back? And his feud with Cena was real???

          Oh dear god…

          • TheBigKing1

            Some feuds are real bro. You can tell. Some things are work, and some are shoots. Just like how Richard was saying above, about the Montreal Screwjob. You really think that was scripted. You can’t believe everything is scripted bro. Some feuds we see(of course not most) are kinda real, and it plays out on the TV screen. Somebody gave an example of some last week, in the history of WWE. It was clear that The Rock didn’t like Cena, you can tell. That’s just common sense. After their first match is when it got more scripted(the beef I mean), because he didn’t have issues with him anymore at that time, after his first match with him.

          • Bob’s Diner

            I don’t know what to tell you… but if you truly believe the build to WrestleManias 27 and 28 were not planned and all just happened to work out like that because of real life issues between The Rock and John Cena… then good for you. I remember how much I loved the show when I was 9 years-old and I believed it was real, too

          • TheBigKing1

            No, the actual beef was real. Not all the scripted skits and all that. It was clear as day that The Rock didn’t like John Cena initially. You can see it in his face, you could tell even based on his broken kayfabe promo over the hills in 2011.

          • TheBigKing1

            No, the actual beef was real. Not all the scripted skits and all that. It was clear as day that The Rock didn’t like John Cena initially. You can see it in his face, you could tell even based on his broken kayfabe promo over the hills in 2011.

    • TheBigKing1

      So true.

      And I wanted to say to you and Xavier either yesterday or the day before, but I usually tend to almost always agree with ya’ll about things. I think I like ya’ll because ya’ll are not the typical IWC marks and IWC haters that we see everyday online. It might sound weird and stupid, but that’s refreshing. Lol.

    • BabaBooey

      I’m so tired of hearing about CM Punk complaining. He used to be my favorite, now he’s almost as pathetic as Ryback.

    • Scott Davies

      I agree with you fully on this. The Miz was clearly the top heel & I feel worked very hard for that spot at WM27. But I think don’t fully think his Babyface turn was a mistake either, more than misused. As he needed the turn to keep his character fresh, cause it did go stale after he lost the WWE title. I hope it is a build back to World Title or WWE Title level. Randy Orton, has not been that great as a heel. Not like his 2009 run.

  • Bob’s Diner

    I think people forget why Miz was in that top spot in the first place; to help push Tough Enough. They wanted to have a former Tough Enough contestant walking around as champion so they could point at him and say the show makes stars.

    The fact is, he is not believable as a top heel. I watched WrestleMania XXVII with a friend who hadn’t watched in years, and when Miz came out as champion he pretty much started laughing

    • Jbreed

      And the WWE realized they had made a mistake of putting The Miz in the main event so they brouht in The Rock to get involved.

    • Jbreed

      And the WWE realized they had made a mistake of putting The Miz in the main event so they brouht in The Rock to get involved.

    • BabaBooey

      Things are in the places they shouldn’t suplex in. Pile-drivers can’t ship off into the nether.

  • The arbiter

    Is the Miz a hogan/rock/cena level mega-star? Nope, and I don’t think he ever will be. But lets face, there are very few people who have ever are on that level.
    What he is however is a solid performer in the ring, good on the mic, and he can play a character well. Based on that hes solid upper mid-card talent. However, his real strength is actually his ability to promote WWE outside of shows and live events. He does press extremly well and has the skills to go on E! or talk shows and promote the brand. That’s his real strength in my opinion and why I consider the Miz and extremely valuable member of the WWE roster.

  • BabaBooey

    The hardcore title was never meant to be prestigious, just extremely entertaining. I don’t think adding that type of title would be useless, it would just add more entertainment to their virtually empty 3 hours of advertisements.

    • BIG M

      If WWE wanted to add or replace a mid card title it should be the Cruiserweight title.
      But I agree with Richard there is 1 title to many in WWE right now.
      I still say they should get rid of the WHC title and just have the WWE title as the only big title but just about everyone disagrees with me.

  • Brandonsanewski

    I thought the same about the head shots. Would be interesting to know if they were approved.