Hold The Judgement Calls On CM Punk & WWE, Why Departures Aren’t A Threat, Batista’s Popularity, Who Should Be Headlining Wrestlemania

Don’t you think it’s incredibly selfish of CM Punk to walk out on WWE the way he did at a crucial time of the year for the company supposedly because of “poor booking” ? WWE gave the man a title reign that lasted 434 days and now because he’s not happy at this moment in time with his spot and he walks out?

I don’t think it’s fair to start making assumptions on what happened with CM Punk until we find out what happened. The only thing we know is CM Punk met with Vince McMahon at Raw on Monday and after the meeting, he left. That’s it. We’ve brought to light as much information as possible, reporting things we know before this happened and what we know about the current direction of Wrestlemania but it’s still too early to say who is in the right and who isn’t at this time. I encourage you to make sure you are up to date with our coverage, which has been very extensive. I’ll provide those links below:

CM Punk Upset Over Wrestlemania XXX Plans, Latest Update On Being Pulled From Shows

Extensive Update On CM Punk Leaving WWE & Being Pulled From Shows – Backtracking The Plans For Wrestlemania & How Punk Ended Up An Afterthought, Examining The Possibility Of This Being A Work Or Becoming One With What We Already Known About Original PPV Plans

Exclusive Details On CM Punk’s Goal For The Year & Why Being In One Of The Wrestlemania XXX Main Events Was So Important To Him

Comprehensive CM Punk/WWE Update That’s Gone Viral

One Thing CM Punk Was Upset With In WWE

Kaitlyn left WWE for being unhappy with her direction. CM Punk left because he was unhappy as well. Dolph Ziggler has also been vocal about being unhappy at times. Do you think this could turn into a trend where superstars unhappy with the company may choose to leave and join another ship similar to what happened in WCW? I know, there is no competition now for WWE but maybe with this top talent leaving, they may actually give WWE some competition?

I’ll caution that every situation is different. Kaitlyn, while not optimistic about her direction, wanted to pursue opportunities that she couldn’t pursue while under WWE contract. Dolph Ziggler is still with WWE and despite frustrations, there’s no reason to talk about his future at this time. As for CM Punk, we do not know the full story. Was he happy with his Wrestlemania direction? No he was not. Was he happy with the direction of his character? No he was not. However, I implore everyone to realize we do not have enough details about the story to make a sweeping judgment call at this time. As for some mass exodus threatening the stability of WWE, allow me to pose a question. Where is all this talent going to go? Did you hear that? Crickets. TNA isn’t an option. They just let guys like Hulk Hogan and AJ Styles, who they’ve spent a tremendous amount of money and resources on, walk because they couldn’t afford to pay them. These names are leaving, knowing they aren’t just leaving WWE but they’re leaving their pro wrestling careers as they know them.

CM Punk’s contract is up in July and even if he didn’t walk out at Raw, there’s still chance he retires. Kaitlyn, while she had shown improvement, her departure wasn’t even a blip on the radar. WWE is on the brink of a very profitable domestic TV distribution contract that is going to compliment the upcoming WWE Network. They’re set and those that aren’t on board are just going to be left behind. I don’t want this to sound like I want workers to leave, as I’m frustrated for many of the reasons Punk is frustrated, but WWE is so much bigger than one worker and they’re not getting any smaller.

If WWE were to do one of their polls to find out who fans would like to see fighting for the title at Wrestlemania, I would suggest Batista would finish way behind Daniel Bryan and CM Punk in the voting. Do you think WWE messed up by asking their established stars to take a backseat to Batista? After all, Batista is not The Rock. You could argue that even at the height of Batista’s popularity (around Wrestlemania 21) he was never as over for as long a duration as Daniel Bryan or CM Punk are right now.

I agree 100% that Daniel Bryan and CM Punk are more popular than Batista and I don’t think it’s even close [especially amongst older fans]. I spoke about this in a media interview on Wednesday, where I expressed this uprising going on amongst many WWE fans. This uprising is comprised of people that are looking for something different, a new star to get behind. They see Batista or even John Cena as the “old way” and they want to root for Daniel Bryan. It’s how CM Punk catapulted himself to the main event scene a few years ago. However, I also do not believe this makes stars such as Batista or Cena irrelevant. Batista popped Raw viewership in a big way when he returned and we saw post-SummerSlam how badly this company still needs John Cena. It’s a delicate mix between the old and new and the part-time talent that creates the best shows. The fan in me wants as much relevant talent as possible and while I want Bryan and Punk to have featured spots, I’m still very interested in Undertaker defending the streak and seeing the spectacle of Brock Lesnar in a WWE ring.

I know you have already stated that no one knows the full story about CM Punk but with the feature story on TMZ and the WWE Twitter unfollowing him, isn’t it feasible to suggest it’s all a work?

The TMZ story and WWE unfollowing CM Punk on Twitter have been the very things some people have pointed at to solidify this isn’t a work. I’ll tell you that I truly believe WWE hopes they can get everything sorted and turn it into one big work but again, we really don’t know just how bad the damage between Punk and WWE is because we don’t know the full story. TMZ’s report seems to imply that Punk quit because he feels it should be him and not Batista challenging for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at Wrestlemania but we know this isn’t true based on Punk’s appearance at the Portland Comic Con on Friday night. Punk said he felt Daniel Bryan should be headlining Wrestlemania because it’s a Daniel Bryan year. We have footage of that appearance online at this link. Again, we also know Punk wasn’t happy with his Wrestlemania direction but asserting that he got his Wrestlemania plans and just up and walked out is based on nothing more than speculation. I’ll repeat one more time – we know CM Punk met with Vince at Raw on Monday. After the meeting, Punk went home.

From the Ask WNW vault…

March 2012: Why does Vince McMahon and the WWE want mainstream exposure for their company? I don’t see what they get out of it and as much as I know, the media will just forget about them like 5 seconds later. - Any time WWE can generate attention from the mainstream media, it’s free promotion. WWE embraces any opportunity they can to draw a buzz from the mainstream media and get their product in front of as many eyes as possible. On the flip side, WWE tries to limit negative attention at all costs.

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  • illdecide

    Personally I’d love to see Orton/Batista try to follow up any DB or CM Punk at Wrestlemania. A hostile crowd of 90K + would result in a full on Orton tantrum.

    • Bob’s Diner

      Orton/Batista is going to get crapped all over no matter where it is on the card. If they think having 15,000 people reject Cena/Orton was bad they are going to get a massive wake up in New Orleans. It’s a shame, because I think the title match should end the show… but not when it is the match no one wants to see

      • opie

        Honestly, unless they have something huge and highly unexpected planned, they might as well run the title match on the kickoff show just to get it out of the way. I know there’s no way that will happen, but it’s going to hurt to watch it late in the card.

        • Jbreed

          If they would do what you’re suggesting than Batista and Orton would probably walk out of the company themselves. So it actually wouldnt be a bad idea.

          • Padres4life

            wouldnt hurt them, i expect ratings to stay the same without them there.

          • Jbreed

            True but they won’t be shoved down our throats anymore and it will make room for other guys.

          • Padres4life

            Batista was barely on Raw, i think that was to protect him. I expect every segment he’s in to be crapped on….they should just move him into non title feuds…what was HHH thinking okaying that guaranteed Rumble win/championship contract? they really thought he was a huge draw?

      • Jbreed

        It will get crapped over by the fans but unless it continues beyond WM, than it doesnt really mean anything because Vince already has their money.

        • Bob’s Diner

          Agreed. What I meant by “a massive wake up” was that it seems they aren’t expecting it to happen at WrestleMania. But considering the fan base that attend WrestleMania, I’m expecting it to be much worse. I think it could be the most entertaining part of the show.

          • Padres4life

            I can’t believe Vince still thinks people want to see Giants……the most over guys are the smaller ones.

          • JR Texx (Jamie)

            I don’t think Vince is the problem at this point. I think he’s starting to like the idea. It’s a certain “COO”.

          • Padres4life

            which i figured it was always Vince because HHH’s best friend is a small guy and Bryan is his protege.

          • opie

            Reigns, Sheamus, and Big E are all big guys who are pretty over.

          • Padres4life

            but not the most over. And they got booed by a sell out crowd at the RR because they werent’ the bearded one.

          • Jbreed

            The WWE was hoping for a big “yes” chant at WM. Well now they’re definately gonna get it. It’s just not how they planned it.

          • Padres4life

            what was the original idea? they thought beating Sheamus was going to be good enough for that?

  • David Jr.

    I don’t have a problem with Batista being at Wrestlemania. I just have a problem with him being in the WWE Title match. Yes I wanted Daniel Bryan, but I would have accepted John Cena fighting for the WWE Title over Batista.

    • TheBigKing1

      I agree too…but no sense crying over spilled milk. I am still very much excited for WrestleMania 30.

    • opie

      As long as Cena wasn’t facing Orton. Again.

    • JR Texx (Jamie)

      I don’t even mind Batista having a title match. It’s the fact that he raced to the top when there are others in line.

  • matt

    Richard you must be loving this time of the year. thanks to Daniel Bryan and cm punk
    I would have to imagine you are gettingn quite the amount of action on your site

    also is there any heat from wwe on Daniel Bryan because basically his unplanned popularity is creating a lot of confusion with the planning of wrestlemania

    • matt

      WWE could solve a lot of their creative problems if management would bring back 2 world titles.
      this will OPEN UP the main event scene and give story line opportunities for cena. orton, batista, punk, sheamus etc.

      • Jbreed

        There were creative problems long before the titles were unified.

        • opie

          Jack Swagger vs. Alberto Del Rio for the WHC was a huge creative problem.

  • Ricky

    This seems similar to the time Steve Austin walked out on the WWE.

    • K!NG

      Steve austin had more problems then just the direction of his character. Please stop comparing the two.

      • Ricky

        Calm down there child.

      • Ricky

        Also if you bothered to check, Punk was sick of traveling and had lost some of his passion. Please get all the facts before you put on big boy pants and try to act like you know stuff.

        • K!NG

          Cool

  • Venom

    Batista was pretty hot around WM21 even hotter then Cena when Batista beat Tripke H. I think it’s great Batista cme back just the idea he went right into a title match at WM and against a guy he’s beaten before is what ruined it. CM Punk should walk out for his issue, not Bryan’s issue. Bryan hasn’t walked out for his issues.

    While I don’t see CM Punk going to TNA I think he can bring ratings to the show. Not Dolph Ziggler unfortunately. At least with Punk gone the main event scene isn’t crowded lie Vince prefers. Pushing a couple people at a time.

  • Winnipeg

    Think about yourself at your job. Some guy a few years ago who was above you quit and disrespected the company you work for. Over the years he was gone you worked hard and actually got one of the top spots in your company. As you are working hard dedicated for a top management position the guy that quit comes back years later and they say “HERE YOU GO, HERE’S THE TOP POSITION, WELCOME BACK”,
    You would be saying “WTF”!!!! Then you would question yourself about upper management’s ability to actually make wise decisions. Considering Batista got booed hard at the Rumble.
    Is it some kind of tactic where WWE wants two guys who get booed hard in the main event?

    • Guest

      I remember this which is why I was shocked when Batista returned to WWE.

  • ldb

    CM PUNK should be proud. I see as standing up for those who stay the course day in and day out and don’t want their spots taken by part timers who come and go as they please or just show back up and say I m Back get in line behind me without earning it. He’s not selfish, hes just making a stand

  • Xavier

    Like one of my friends pointed out, this is a truly pathetic time in wrestling. You have a power struggle between Triple H & Vince with Steph trying too play peacemaker, you have fans buying tickets too shows with the sole purpose of acting ignorant and hijacking shows, you got a wrestler returning and flipping off fans, and a guy walking out on his fans & the company he works for because he’s not getting his way. Truly pathetic times, tough time too be a wrestling fan in general

    • Jbreed

      It doesn’t matter to the WWE because as pathetic as things are fans will still watch WWE programming, they’ll still buy ppvs, they’ll continue to buy John Cena t shirts and they’ll subscribe to the WWE network.

      • Xavier

        Very true.

    • Bob’s Diner

      I think there have been worse times. These are all backstage problems – at least there aren’t really embarrassing storylines and angles happening.

      • Xavier

        True. Atleast the problems facing the WWE aren’t financial like they were back in 96.

    • Cubed56

      Agreed. It’s also pathetic that EC is shaping up to be a much better PPV than WM, just by the EC match and Wyatt’s v Shield match. Personally I feel Wyatt’s v Shield is a WM match, but I’ve spoke enough on that in other posts.

    • Heath Slater

      Well put.

  • Jbreed

    Nobody wanted to see The Rock/John Cena 2 but WM 29 still became the highest grossing WM ever. I’m sure more people than not would rather see CM Punk and Daniel Bryan in the main event and not Batista and Orton but it probably still won’t stop them from buying the event. Maybe if people boycotted WM 29 instead of complaining about another Rock/Cena match and buying it anyway, then maybe Vince McMahon wouldn’t have brought in stars from the past again this year and instead use his active guys.

    • Bob’s Diner

      That is the biggest problem and is why the ‘hardcore fans’ are not important to Vince – they buy everything anyway, no matter how much they complain

      • Jbreed

        Exactly and if this year’s WM does huge buyrates then the day after WM Vince will already start coming up with plans for his “dream matches” next year.

        • Padres4life

          i still think Raw the last week popped 5 million because of Bryan and his turning on the Wyatts. it still did a good number without Batista this week. He’s not adding much if anything at all.

      • JR Texx (Jamie)

        I dunno.. after the RR and RAW.. I think it’s possible for things to change.

        It could be possible that Punk could make a return. I’m hoping, I know people can say “keep hoping”. Well I will, I enjoyed watching Punk.

        • Padres4life

          i think they realized that Bryan is a draw afterall because i’ve been reading reports and lately Bryan has been having people go to events JUST to see him….thats a good sign for him.

        • Bob’s Diner

          I’m with you in regards to Punk. There is always a chance he gets some time off and comes back for one more run. I would not complain if he came back later in the year as a heel and maybe feud with Bryan (BTW I am still picking Bryan to win the title at Extreme Rules, though it will most likely be a short reign)

          • Padres4life

            i think it’ll be a long reign personally. After all of this, you dont give it to him for a short time.

          • Bob’s Diner

            You also don’t get the backlash you get at one of your biggest PPVs of the year and then continue on with the story your fans are rejecting, but look how that logic goes for WWE creative

    • J Vomkrieg

      Your statement is factually incorrect. WrestleMania 29 drew only 1,048,000 buys, whereas Wrestelmania 28, rock vs Cena 1 was 1,253,000 pay-per-view buys. So, about 200,000 people difference

  • Padres4life

    I wonder if management REALLY hates Bryan now, because the fans are forcing them to change plans.

    • Jbreed

      Actually if fans really do start turning away from the WWE for being sick and tired of guys like Batista and Orton, than they’re gonna need to rely on Bryan.

      • Padres4life

        good point…which is why they shouldn’t have him face Sheamus at Mania because the crowd won’t accept that either…they’ll love Bryan, but they’ll still call for him the rest of the night until he holds the title belt in the air.

        • Jbreed

          The problem is the current plan now is for Bryan to face Triple H. And we all know what a match against Triple H usually means.

          • Padres4life

            a burial?

          • Jbreed

            Exactly

          • Padres4life

            yeah, but do you really think he’d do that….? this is actually the first time I’ve ever seen a revolt by the fans…we’re making them change their plans. Vince isn’t going to get away with the old guard in charge any longer.

          • Jbreed

            He wouldn’t only if the fans actually do revolt, Otherwise I really don’t think he’ll be ok with putting over a guy he doesn’t really like. If the revolt for some reason dies down and people start to again accept things the way they are, than with Batista around for the next two years and John Cena and Orton not going anywhere than there’s no room for Bryan. We don’t want Bryan just to be in the main event, win the title and then lose it a couple of months later. We want Bryan as the new face of the company.

          • Padres4life

            here’s the thing though, with his popularity, how can you not make him the new face of the company? it makes no sense….haven’t they always wanted someone this popular? you can’t force this overness, its so natural, they might never have it again…why not take a rocket ship and strap it to him? How can they not want him to be the new face? he handles himself very well, doesnt’ drink or smoke or do drugs, is a good interviewer, and is a stand up guy.

          • Jbreed

            I know what you mean but it makes me wonder why Daniel Bryan, who’s the most popular guy by far and the WWE’s hottest commodity, is not scheduled to be anywhare near the top of the card at the biggest event of the decade. Sure now he’s gonna have a more important match because of what has developed with Punk, but the original plans were for Bryan to face Sheamus. It doesn’t make sense.

          • Padres4life

            i think either they don’t take him seriously or it was to continue the “burial” story they’ve had with him for awhile now. They wanted him to be in a midcard match to play off the storyline of him being held back even more and to gain his redemption on Sheamus, the thing is, we want more for the guy and he deserves it. He works harder than anyone there, he’s at the arenas super early every single day. Also, Extreme Rules in May is in Seattle. Two weeks ago they decided to have it at that location, perhaps the whole PPV will be centered around him because they want to make up for Wrestlemania, who knows….I just wish they looked at him as the guy instead of just an asset they can use kind of like a toy.

          • Bob’s Diner

            If fans were forcing a change in plans they wouldn’t be moving forward with Orton vs Batista. Heck, we wouldn’t be settling for Bryan vs HHH

          • Xavier

            Exactly, like I’ve been saying. Hijacking shows won’t change anything. Boycotting would be 100x more effective in forcing change

          • Padres4life

            well there is a movement, a Bryan movement going on worldwide..there is a petition being thrown around, saying that if Bryan isn’t in the main event, to turn the channel or power off your television and boycott the main event, and if you’re in attendance at Mania, turn your back on the match if Bryan isnt’ in it.

          • Xavier

            But here’s the problem though, most wrestling fans aren’t apart of the IWC. So I’m not really sure that a petition will do much. And I can’t think of how many times I’ve heard smarks say that they won’t watch anymore only to tune in the next day. Now, I’m in agreement with pretty much everyone here when they say that they don’t wanna see Batista headline Mania. But Batista did bring in viewers there’s no denying that. I actually have friends that are wrestling fans but don’t follow the internet and they view wrestling a whole differently then people like me & you do and they were glad too see Batista back and fine with him winning the Rumble. Those types of fans are the majority. Typically speaking those are the fans that are also more inclined to spend more money at live events on merchandise or in stores buying toys and fake belts for their kids and more likely to actually order the PPV legally and not stream it. Those are the fans that Vince caters to me and from a business end rightfully so.

          • Padres4life

            no they’re not the majority….EVERYONE is ticked now that Bryan was left out. Nobody likes Batista. He didn’t bring over five million this week. They’re not even using him anymore He was barely on raw and they never even talked about his rumble win, maybe only briefly. They’re regretting bringing him back.

          • Xavier

            Trust me bro, smarks are the minority. I agree that fans university love Bryan. But the fact is that Batista helped boost ratings on RAW in his return, the numbers are right there for the viewing.

          • Ben

            Batista also has a huge advantage in that he’s starring in a comic book movie (Guardians of the Galaxy), which means mass exposure and media events where he can bring the WWE title. From a business perspective, he makes sense, and I assure you I have less than zero interest in watching Batista. And the thing is, even IF fans in attendance completely turn on and crap all over WM- which is certainly possible given current plans- it won’t matter. Vince has already made his money for it and will make so much more when fans buy the WWE Network. I guess we could try protesting by not watching the PPV we already paid for… lol

          • Padres4life

            well that contract was already printed so they cant go back on it, thats why they never changed it. And beating Triple H at Mania is still a huge deal, isn’t it? He’s made guys before, but if he wins, then its dumb.

          • Bob’s Diner

            I think Bryan will win. But HHH doesn’t have the impact anymore – he wrestles twice a year and is right now focusing on building a more ‘figurehead’ character, which takes away a lot of the importance of him as a wrestler. Bryan beating Cena clean was what made him and was far more important, in my opinion.

    • Bob’s Diner

      They aren’t really changing any plans, they are just making sure to placate fans a bit better – hence having Bryan at the start of Raw the other night. The only match being changed is Bryan/Triple H, but that makes more sense from a storyline perspective anyway. No doubt Shawn Michaels will get his yearly WrestleMania bonus by being the special ref as well

      • Padres4life

        why are they only pushing him to appease us? that makes no sense, he puts on great performances, fans love him, how can you not make him your permanent number two or even new number one? I mean doesn’t beating Triple H at Mania kind of make you the new guy? it did for Cena and Batista.

        • Bob’s Diner

          That was 10 years ago – and involved titles. HHH was NEVER ‘The Guy’

          • Padres4life

            True…..i just dont’ understand why they won’t make Bryan the guy……he’s what everyone wants now..even the women and kids have started to like him and he’s mainstream and all the demographics go to shows just to see him. So I just dont understand why they don’t full on push him instead of half way.

        • Ben

          You’re assuming Triple H is going to put Bryan over at Mania. Given their horrendous booking of him so far, I’d be far from confident in that assumption. I hope you’re right, mind you, but if anything I’m almost expecting Trips to win.

  • Venom

    Why are people comparing this situation to Steve Austin walking out? Austin didn’t t want to put over Brock Lesnar and left the arena without telling anyone. From what’s reported CM Punk had a meeting with Vince McMahon and informed them he was leaving when apparently he was written off the show anyways.

    I dunno why but the devil in me wants to see Orton/Batista close the show at WM and watch then get crapped on and unlike Cena, they’re both not that professional when things don’t go to plan. They get frustrated in the ring like calling a wrestler stupid, forgetting their place in the ring, flipping the crowd. I know it’s mean but like I said the devil in me wants to see that.

    I don’t think the buy rate is going to be an issue though because this is the first ppv under the wwe network. Majority of fans are going to pay the messily $10 a month to get the ppvs and such. They just need to hope the people outside the US want to pay the normal ppv price.

    • Padres4life

      last year Wrestlemania had 662,000 buys in the US…..it wasn’t a good WM but people still bought. I expect at least 600,000 buys in the US again this year, maybe a little less…they need a million subscribers to break even for the Network, and that’s already 600,000 subscribers just for Wrestlemania, within the month of April they’ll break even.

      • Venom

        I think the majority of US fans will get the network. It’s honestly insane not to. Pay $50 for one ppv or the $10/m with a 6 months commitment for all the ppvs and other shows? Of course there are people that will still not get it and just go to a friends house who has it and watch it together.

        • Padres4life

          the thing i’m dreading is that my computer freezes when i watch videos so i think i might be screwed lol

    • Judas

      Austin never even went to the arena when he quit. He was on the phone when he got word they wanted him to lose to Brock and he told them he wasn’t coming.

      • Venom

        Ok so you just proved my point in that this really shouldn’t compare austin with punk. I mean Austin did have a point characterize. His character didn’t care about king of the ring since it doesn’t lead to a title shot so years later after being established they enter him again? Made no sense.

        • Judas

          Yes and no. Yes in that the situations are different; no because Austin’s only issue was losing to Brock in an unannounced match. He didn’t mind losing, nor did he mind wrestling in the KOTR tournament, he just didn’t want to throw away money by not having any build-up to the match.

          • Venom

            I understand that but in terms of the way they both went home. Austin never informed anyone he was leaving. And as you said never even showed up. I had always thought or read that he was at the arena and left but maybe what you’re saying is true.

            At leat CM Punk was at the arena but was written out at the last minute then had a meeting with Vince McMahon and he informed them he was going home as he wasnt needed that night anyways.

            I was going to post what he was going to do on raw but I deleted it before posting as it contains a spoiler on smackdown and even if you read it maybe others didn’t.

          • Padres4life

            did they demote Austin toward the end because he wasn’t making them money still?

          • Venom

            I think the year before they turned him heel at WM17 because like the current Cena character Austin was getting stale. Plus wwe bought wcw then the nwo which he didn’t want to work with hogsn so rock did that. Then Lesnar debut and they wanted to give him a monster push so by feeding him a broken down Austin who was having knee and knock problems to give him a push.

            But in my opinion women can be our worst enemies. He was married to Debra McMichaels at the time who was also on the road. It’s possible she convinced him to walk out and they had issues cause the following weekend Austin was arrested for domestic abuse. Not saying what he did was right at all you never hit a woman. But either they were having issues before and with his career going down or she convinced him to walk out and he took his anger on her. Those are my speculation.

          • Padres4life

            its just weird how he was the number one star setting gate attendance records and then out of nowhere is facing Scott Hall at Wrestlemania.

          • Bob’s Diner

            It was a combination of things; the heel turn was a disaster (mainly because it was executed terribly), he was still not 100% physically, his ego was ginormous, HHH was on his rise and had openly criticised him for not being much of a draw anymore – mostly in retaliation to Austin saying HHH was not a draw had refused to put him over.
            That’s my guess.

          • Padres4life

            yeah, i guess things die off after awhile and Austin was an example of that.

          • Venom

            Let me ask u this cause we tend to agree lately on a few things minus the whole who will be the star of the Sheild (I say Rollins still). Do u think Cena seriously puts people over? I had that debate yesterday with Xavier.

            I don’t think Austin was putting people over either. He was supposed to do a program with Jeff Jarrett and kept stunning him every week, but when it was time to officially do a program Austin called it off. He had no problem stunning him every week though.

            Even I think it was Summer Slam 1999 when he and Triple H were feuding, at the last minute Mankind was in the match and won the title only to lose it to HHH the next night.

            He also didn’t want to work a program with Hogan which is why he faced Scott Hall at WM and Rock faces hogan instead. It’s amazing Austin who as a kid I was a fan if kind of did everything he didn’t like people did to him. He even broke a wrestlers neck in Japan yet he always bad mouthed Owen Hart for a few years.

          • Bob’s Diner

            I think Cena puts people over in a backhanded way; I first noticed with Punk – and this is something he followed through with Bryan and Orton – he leads into matches he is going to lose by saying that it doesn’t matter if he loses, but if he wins then the other guy has nothing – that they need to beat him, but he doesn’t need to win because he will always be the champ. So while I don’t think he has a problem ‘doing the honours’, I don’t think he likes his character to look weak. He couldn’t even act like The Rock beating him was bad. A week after WrestleMania 28, he was back to making comments about not being an actor or needing a stuntman.

            I also think a lot of his quick injury recovery times has to do with protecting his spot. But that’s just me.

            Austin not wanting to put people over was why I didn’t want him to come back and face Punk – he would have insisted on winning and that would have served no purpose at all. While I enjoyed The Rock coming back and winning, it made sense once you realised they were booking a long-term story.

          • Venomv

            My issue with the Cena character he acts all honorable it’s annoying. Like I remember MITB when he faces Punk and Vince and Laurentitis were going to recreate the Montreal Screwjob. Right before they were going to ring the bell the honorable John Cena let go of the STF and stopped Laurenitis. When a former UFC champion punches him and makes him bleed and require stitches has to smile and no sell the injury. Like he can’t lose with dignity. If he loses it has to be someone cheated or he acts lie he’s that persons biggest supporter. Maybe he has people fooled.

            On a side note and I do 100% feel like it is his personal choice, I find it funny how the face of a family friendly company doesn’t want to ever get married and never wants any kids what so ever. Yes, I watch Total Divas and the children’s row model shows its ok to just “paying the field” with your girlfriend.

          • Bob’s Diner

            Great point. Did you notice how the first couple of episodes of Total Divas he came across as a complete jerk, then by the third episode he totally changed? I really got the feeling that some WWE execs watched it and had to change things up because he really didn’t come across as a nice guy at all

            I am so 100% with you on the no-selling and how he loses matches. Even at SummerSlam 2011 he didn’t really lose clean – HHH made a mistake as ref and missed his foot under the ropes or something (I can’t remember exactly what it was). And Daniel Bryan only got his match at SummerSlam last year because John Cena felt sorry for him or something…

            Aaaah we could do this all night long ;-)

          • Venom

            I know we could talk about it all night long just last night the biggest Cena fan kept lecturing me on how he puts people over and punk never did. Cena just makes himself look like Gods Gift to Wrestling and gives an oppurtunity to poor Daniel Bryan.

            And yeah Cena is the exact opposite of his character. He made Nikki Bella move all her stuff to Florida and then decides to have her sign something that she’s just a guest in his house. The guy who is marketed for children doesn’t want to ever have a family. That’s like a Hindu vegetarian chef working at a steakhouse.

          • Bob’s Diner

            Jeepers, in all of Punk’s reigns – WWE and World Heavyweight – he was never booked strong. I’m pretty sure his first 4 years in WWE was about putting over as many people as possible. In his first title reign he lost more matches than he won. The last half of his 434 day title reign had him booked as the most weak and cowardly champion possible. What did he want from the guy? I like Xavier, but I sure don’t agree with his views on CM Punk. The guy never pretends to be anything he isn’t and has had to put up with a lot of political crap since he arrived in WWE. I’m going to miss him owning people on the mic the way he does

            Next time he tells you how awesome John Cena is, just point out the guy is a liar; not only did he promise The Rock that if he beat him he would stop making fun of him for leaving WWE, but he also gave The Rock a promise on his birthday that he would hold the WWE title so they could fight for it at WrestleMania 28. That should get a rise out of him ;-)

          • Bob’s Diner

            BTW I would love if Rollins ended up a star – the guy is the unappreciated awesomeness of The Shield. I just think Roman Reigns was being groomed for the top before even debuting, hence they teamed him with 2 experienced guys to help him get over.

          • Venom

            I think Roman Reigns will start off good, my fear is that history repeats itself. I know it’s debated that early on everyone thought he was green but it wasn’t fair to judge before they had their first match at TLC’12. But the whole Marty Janetty/Shawn Michaels, Miz/Morrison, Cody Rhodes/Ted DiBiase, Wade Barrett/Nexus(Bryan was only Nexus for a day).

          • Judas

            Austin mentions in his dvd that he never went to the arena, and he uses that story in a commercial on his podcast advertising GoTo Meeting saying something to the extent of “had I been able to see Vince while talking to him, I would have never done what I did.”

          • Bob’s Diner

            But see this is where I view them differently – this wasn’t like CM Punk got told something and said ‘I’m not doing that – I’m going home instead’. He came to the arena with the intention of telling Vince he was going back to Chicago. He just didn’t want to be there and Vince obviously obliged. From what I’ve read, he couldn’t get hold of Vince any earlier because of all the meetings they were having, doing rewrites for Raw

  • opie

    Batista being pushed straight to the main event has more to do with marketing than the product itself. They’re just capitalizing on the mainstream exposure he’s going to get for Guardians of the Galaxy. It’s the same as putting the belt on The Rock while he was doing publicity for his movies.

    • Padres4life

      just bad timing.now they’re in a pickle, people want Bryan to be successful, and yet they want to bank on the Batista title run….so what do you do is the question? either way I have a feeling DB fans won’t be happy because even if he wins the belt, Batista wins it back automatically, then we’re screwed again.

      • opie

        It’s not just bad timing. It’s cheap and gimmicky. Batista is nowhere near The Rock’s level as a WWE legend or as an actor (that’s not a statement about his acting ability, just the fact that he’s one of the biggest actors in the world right now). It’s only slightly better than David Arquette being WCW champ to promote Ready to Rumble. It’s terrible for the product and the fans.

        • Padres4life

          the funny thing is that this whole Batista thing has made Bryan even bigger. And people are going to the events now just to see him and what he’ll do.

      • Bob’s Diner

        This is why I expect a short reign for Bryan – they will want Batista holding the belt in August when the movie comes out. Especially since SummerSlam is always in LA

  • ceedot

    CM Punk challenges Batista for his Wrestlemania main even match contract. Beats him. Bryan wins the Elimination Chamber. CM Punk vs Bryan (Champ) in the Wrestlemania XXX main event. Everyone (except Batista) is happy.

  • Tim

    Batista is just a new version of triple h. A mediocre talent. Forcing his way to the spotlight. When they don’t deserve it.