John Cena & Randy Orton Delivered, Why Raw Is Too Long, Turning The Shield, Miz Over Morrison

Is it just me or was John Cena and Randy Orton's TLC match terrible? I felt it was sloppy and just didn't live up to it's expectations. Then again, when was the last time there was a good TLC match, Hell in a Cell match, or Elimination Chamber match anyway?

I thought John Cena and Randy Orton met expectations at WWE TLC and creative delivered with a clean finish. There are those that do not like gimmick matches and I'm more in that category but sometimes they can be useful when they aren't over utilized. Given the way Cena vs. Orton was hyped as the most epic match in company history, I almost completely forgot about the TLC gimmick. However, the match itself was everything you would expect minus copious amounts of blood despite Orton being busted open the hardway. I discussed my thoughts on WWE TLC in detail here in Richard Reacts.

Why do you think fans watch a 3-hour WWE pay-per-view with no problem but can't keep focus with a 3-hour WWE Raw?

For me it has to do with frequency. Monday Night Raw airs every week and pay-per-views are once a month. The job of free television is to build to the pay-per-view. The pay-per-views are supposed to be a "big deal" and should be longer than weekly programming. With that being said, it's still not easy for me to sit and watch anything for a continuous 3-hour period. This is why it's essential WWE deliver on their pay-per-views to make them worth their hefty price tags. One of the biggest things the permanent 3-hour transition of Raw has taken away is the "big show" feel for a themed episode such as the Slammys. It used to be a big deal when Raw went 3-hours but now since it's the norm it's just another week. I will continue to say 3 hours of Raw each week is excessive to the viewer, the writers and the workers.

Should WWE plan to give tag teams longer runs? For example, why not turn The Shield and let them have a run as babyfaces.

It really just depends on the situation. Some workers are better suited as tag team performers as opposed to singles wrestlers. Drawing off a point I made last week, I do not believe the members of The Shield are career tag team wrestlers. This is why their run as a team should be limited. There's too much of an upside in all three as singles workers to leave them in a faction for too long. Let's also not forgot factions have a shelf life, as do tag teams. As you mentioned, WWE would have to try The Shield as babyfaces if they planned to keep them together longer. However, I think it's more likely they split then stay together due to the aforementioned reasons.  As for tag teams, I absolutely love what the company is doing Cody Rhodes and Goldust.  It's been a lot of fun to watch although I don't expect it to last forever.

Why do you think The Miz had more success then John Morrison? While I personally enjoy Miz and feel he was better on the mic, I feel Morrison had the look and ring work over Miz.

The only bad thing I ever heard about John Morrison was his relationship with Melina. Melina was a lightning rod for controversy and had a reputation for rubbing people the wrong way. Her heat had a tendency to trickle over to Morrison even though it had nothing to do with him. How much this effected Morrison in WWE, I don't know. A lot of it comes down to situation and The Miz had a better situation a few years ago than his former tag team partner. Both have characteristics that make each stand out.

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  • gustavo

    i cant believe Orton went over clean ,, specially against John Cena

  • K!NG

    I hate to say this well who am i kidding i love to say this i told yall Orton was coming out of TLC as champ. I will say though it looks like WWE is giving Punk a ton of momentum going into next month’s RR. I said i think DB is gonna win it but how can i buy him beating 29 people when he can’t keep 1 of 3 wyatt family members down for a three count. I also don’t see Orton losing the title Until wrestlemania so who ever wins the RR is going to be facing Orton at Mania IMO.

    • Mysterion

      If he had gone over the three of em clean it would have been devastating to the Wyatt’s. WWE has already slowed Shield down, only to feed it again then slow it again. The inconsistency cost then. But the Wyatt’s need momentum more than Shield right now. They needed that win. And losing 3 on 1 doesn’t hurt bryan. Do you think all 29 guys are gonna gun for Bryan? That’s the fun of RR. It’s Everyman for himself!!!

      • K!NG

        Well there are only 2 guys right now who are in the right spot to win the RR CM Punk and Daniel Bryan.

        • Bob’s Diner

          There will be 28 other people in there… not to mention a returning Sheamus…

        • Bob’s Diner

          There will be 28 other people in there… not to mention a returning Sheamus…

      • Bob’s Diner

        Agreed. The Shield beating CM Punk would have given them strength as a team, when the story of the match was they aren’t that cohesive anymore – they are obviously leading towards breaking them up. Whereas the opposite was needed with They Wyatts – they needed to win to show they are a strong unit.

    • David F.

      hopefully Orton does not close the show at Wrestlemania. I believe it should be Undertaker v Lesnar. if WWE goes with Lesnar challenging the streak. The streak is bigger than the WWE title and the Wrestlemania crowds are usually dead after Undertaker Mania match. So why not go with Taker v Lesnar. It already got main stream pub when Taker confronted Lesnar at UFC event and it would be the biggest attraction at the PPV

    • Bob’s Diner

      I knew Orton was winning. It was obvious once Cena did the promo saying Orton needed to win. He always does that when someone is going beat him for a title

  • BigMike

    I agree that Morrison was many times better in the ring and a Tag Team with Kofi would have been CRAZY lol. I agree Melina more than likely cost Morrison his job at WWE in some capacity. Goldberg’s problem IMO was his ego and the fact that he was hand held and spoon fed in WCW then came to WWE and was not treated the same way so he got Diva type mad that the WWE did not kiss his ass and make him believe that he was able to walk on water

  • Ricky

    I really was surprised when I read that Orton went over Cena. I thought for sure Super Cena would pull off the win.
    Also it looks like WWE might start with a slow Shield break up.

  • SweetCyn

    I agree that the title match last night didn’t live up to the hype, but its hard living up to the hype when the hype was One Undisputed Champion. Not everybody is Jericho and Austin, especially not Cena and Orton, but it was still a good match that should go down as one of the best either man has had this year. I’m just surprised they actually gave us a real finish… at any moment I was expecting some screwy to happen.

  • Jbreed

    If The Shield breaks up than 2 of the 3 members will probably get lost in the mix in singles competition. The WWE has a hard time pushing one young talent these days let alone three. What they should do is break one guy away from the unit (Roman Reigns would make the most sense right now) and find another member to take Reigns’ place in The Shield.

    • JR Texx (Jamie)

      Na, I think all 3 of a huge future.

      • Jbreed

        You’re right but the way it looks right now Roman Reigns is the guy who’s in line for an immediate push. The WWE usualy pushes singles wrestlers one at a time and there’s no telling when Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins would get their turn. BTW, I could come up with a long list of wrestlers in the past few years who had “huge futures” but were never given the chance.

  • ken

    They didnt deliver shit. The match was slow, Cena called spots too loud, and there wasnt even a TLC high spot. The finish was botched too. Ive seen better tlc matches on Smackdown.

    • K!NG

      The only thing i can say about the main event is everything we seen in that match i have seen in every other TLC. other then the ending which was botched by cena not going all the way through the table but he did smack his face pretty hard. the ending was very anti-climatic.

  • ken

    You can delete my comments all you want Richard, i’ll just keep posting them. If you disagree with me that Cena and Orton’s match wasn’t good, then defend it.

    • Zack

      My guess is that he’s deleting your comments because you’re being rude or offensive. Not because of your stance on the match outcome.

      • Nick K

        Richard is clearly a little too sensitive, were talking about a Guy who blocked me on Facebook for a little sports banter. It is what it is.

  • Tony Rankin

    I can kinda see where the first question is coming from. Half the match was just chair shots over and over again. But overall I feel the match was decent, could have been way better.

    Also honorary mention for Bray Wyatt getting “that was creepy” chants last night, hilarious.

  • Anon

    If you really think Cena and Orton delivered you are as out of touch with common wrestling fans as wwe seems to be…

  • Smarky Smark

    More reasons TLC sucked: Undertaker didn’t appear, Lesnar didn’t come back, and Goldberg was supposed to return. Oh and another Cena heel turn wasted.

    • Zack

      None of those things were SUPPOSED to happen with the exception of a Cena heel turn which was possible but unlikely. If you’re upset with a PPV because something that wasn’t advertised didn’t happen, you should change your expectations.

  • Bob’s Diner

    I thought the main event was OK. Nothing special by any stretch, but nothing too awful. The commentators were annoying me more than anything, with the constant garbage about this being the first ever title unification blah blah blah.

    I laughed a lot when Orton obviously hurt his hand grabbing a ladder. And then laughed even more when Cena got knocked out. They should try that the other way around next time

    • JR Texx (Jamie)

      Not to do with this match but did you see Punk at the very beginning as he walked out and spat his gum out? that made me chuckle.

      • Bob’s Diner

        Hell yes that was hilarious. The look on his face was priceless. His match with the Shield was easily the best of the night and told a great story

  • Stephen Cash

    I have to say, I do not think Cena and Orton delivered, but I think it was because Cena seemed like he did not belong in the ring with Orton. I am a BIG Orton fan, but I thought Cena was a great worker, last night he looked green….Orton mopped the floor with him…. and Cena reminded me of Ryback… I wonder if he was upset he wasn’t going over?

    • Bob’s Diner

      Cena is like Nash – put him with a great worker and he can pull something off that is interesting. Put him with an average worker and you get boredom and sloppiness – Cena fans are no doubt going get very upset, but go back and watch his matches with The Rock for proof of that. Randy Orton’s latest run at the top has not been his best work by any stretch

      • Xavier

        Cena/Lashley at GAB 07, Cena/Ryback at Extreme Rules 2013 & Cena/Umaga at the RR 07 are proof that Cena doesn’t need to be carried and that he doesn’t need to be in the ring with a great worker to have a great match. Cena/Nash is a awful comparison. BTW, Punk’s matches with Rock were pretty avevage at best as well. So really it’s more of a reflection of the Rock not being in ring shape and being rusty then it is on Cena or Punk but nice try though

        • Bob’s Diner

          No arguments here about The Rock – his matches with Punk were very disappointing. I for one am hoping he really is done with wrestling – it was great to have him back but he’s not got the ring fitness anymore.

          The ending of Cena/Ryback was the only good part of that match. I don’t remember that Umaga match being particularly amazing, and I have no interest in watching anything that involves Bobby Lashley

          Like I said, put him with someone good and he can pull out a great match. The match with Daniel Bryan at SummerSlam was brilliant and I would never take that away from the guy. Takes two to put on a good match like that.

  • EvilMenace666

    The Match was EPIC however the outcome wasn’t!!!

  • DW

    Why is it hard for people to watch RAW over PPV………….commercials. There is your answer without a convoluted, scientific reason.

    You’re Welcome

    • Jbreed

      Is there much difference anymore between Raw and ppv? TLC is a huge example. Besides the main event at TLC what’s the difference. The two handicap matches were matches they could easily put on free tv. We’ve seen the Miz vs. Kofi Kingston on Raw a thousand times. The IC title match and the Divas weren’t exactly ppv worthy either and R-Truth vs..Brodus Clay,is something we should be seeing on WWE Main Event. So basically whoever is paying 50 dollars for a WWE ppv is an idiot.

  • Stoney

    Morrison was whipped anyway, took his girlfriend back when she cheated on him with Batista. And let’s not forget Morrison snubbing Trish stratus at Wrestlemania 27 because Melina thought she should be in a match.

  • TheBigKing1

    Randy Orton and John Cena both delivered last night. I guess it’s those same people that were disappointed in WM29 that’s saying that it was a bad bout. Maybe because their expectations are ALWAYS high…expecting John Cena heel turn last night and at WM29. When I keep telling them that it won’t happen…but they wanna hold out hope, which is understandable. But it’s not happening anytime soon. Obviously WWE teased that prior to the PPV to boost buy rates, of course.

    • Bob’s Diner

      I didn’t think he was turning heel at all. I think people are being way too harsh on that main event – it wasn’t amazing or epic as WWE wanted, but it wasn’t terrible

      • TheBigKing1

        True. But from what i see online. You can tell that people really believed that Cena was going to turn heel. But like Richard always say, “I wil believe it when I see it”.

    • Bob’s Diner

      I didn’t think he was turning heel at all. I think people are being way too harsh on that main event – it wasn’t amazing or epic as WWE wanted, but it wasn’t terrible

  • monty

    richard watch when shield breaks 2 if not all 3 will be lost in shuffle, wwe needs to make the US or C title mean something again because now there is only one Heavyweight champ so that means less top level pushes

    US title should mean a lot and should be advertised on almost every raw
    IC title should be the one that a talent should get once he is close to getting the WWE heavyweight championship