Just Say No To Hulk Hogan vs. John Cena At Wrestlemania XXX

So if I enjoy the nostalgic part of the business and I’m a former card carrying Hulkamaniac, why do I not want to see Hogan for one last time against John Cena?

Hogan LeavesThe Hogan of today is a far cry from the Hogan that ushered in the two biggest “booms” the pro wrestling business has ever seen. I, along with many of you, was interested to see if he could do it one more time when he signed with TNA Wrestling 4 years ago but sadly, he could not. The fact of the matter is, the Hogan brand isn’t what it once was. We can blame it on a divorce so nasty I refused to cover it. We can blame it on a sex tape. We can do what the majority of the IWC does and just blame Dixie Carter. The bottom-line is while Hulkamania will live forever, Hulkamania, in its current form, is no longer running wild.

Hogan’s run in TNA came and went and not only is the company no further along in their quest to compete with WWE, one can argue they’re in worst shape now then before Hogan signed. Years of prominently featuring Hogan on television, in interviews and re-branding TNA as “the company that has Hogan,” they’re left in a state that has even the biggest TNA fan wondering about their future. We can’t blame all of TNA’s problems on Hogan but it is fair to say that Hogan did little to help quell them. It was Hogan that called for massive changes, it was Hogan that pushed for what are the two biggest mistakes in TNA’s history and it was Hogan that refused to take a pay cut and used his creative control to embarrass the company on his way out.

Earlier this year I had my first run-in with my childhood idol as Hogan called “wrestlingworldnews” the biggest new mark when I questioned his motives in TNA. It was there I asserted that Hogan cared more about Hogan than TNA. While Hogan could easily deny that then, his case isn’t as strong today. Not only did Hogan turn down TNA’s offer for a contract extension, he made sure the last time TNA fans saw him featured company president Dixie Carter grabbing his legs like a child who had just had her Christmas presents stolen. Now in promotional interviews Hogan talks about how he quit TNA and is looking for a job. He has nice things to say about Dixie but make no mistake about it, Hogan was looking out for Hogan. And there’s nothing wrong with that. I just don’t appreciate the naive sentiment that he was there because he loved the business. That’s just not true.

Love him or hate him, Hogan didn’t move the needle for TNA. Years – literally years – of prominently featuring him and they’re no further along than where they were. While I realize that WWE would do a better job of promoting Hogan, is he really worth the time and resources? Is bringing Hogan in for Wrestlemania worth the money it will cost and the opportunity that it’s bound to take away from someone else?

And this begs to ask another question.  Could Hogan hold his own in even the most basic match?  At 60? Would he  be medically cleared to compete?  Isn’t his back one bad bump away from very serious long-term consequences?   However, the physical part is only part of the equation.  Would a Hogan match draw at a high level in 2014?

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  • chris

    No no no no no!!

  • Dante1978

    Great aarticle but you were wrong in saying he hasn’t wrestled in six years he had a match against sting at BFG 11

    • http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/ Richard Gray

      I forgot about that. Well, not much of a match but I’ll still remove that sentence for the sake of correctness.

  • Jon S.

    I couldn’t disagree with you more. You cannot base Hogan’s decline in popularity based on the dysfunctional company that is TNA. Remember that it was WWE who made Hogan into a star. Recall the popularity of Hogan vs Rock at WM18. The match itself was awful but the emotions that emanated from that match make it one of the greatest bouts of all time. Cena/Hogan would draw at least as much as Cena/Rock. And what is the negative here? Suppose it didn’t draw huge? Would the fans rather see Cena/Hogan or Sheamus/Ryback. Do you really think wrestling fans don’t want to see Hogan again because of his divorce? Cena got divorced and he is popular as ever. Steve Austin has been through several divorces, including ones that have been publicized significantly. But that’s ok. If we don’t get Cena/Hogan we can all look forward to Curtis Axel/Cody Rhodes in the co-main event. Please.

    • http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/ Richard Gray

      Next year’s card already has Brock Lesnar and The Undertaker. Saying they’re going to do is Axel vs. Rhodes is a little dramatic.

      • Jon S.

        Hogan/Cena would draw more than Lesnar/Taker.

        • Jbreed

          I’d rather see CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan for example, even if it draws less, but it would be a much better “match”..

          • Jbreed

            Again, Punk/Bryan is just an example. And even if their matches were never great lke you say, they’re still better than the train wreck we would get in the ring between Hogan and Cena. Here’s the point I’m trying to make. Today’s wrestling fan is more interested in in-ring action than intriguing storylines, unlike the way it used to be. So if most of these fans who would rather see Hogan/Cena than they’re only contradicting themselves. But the biggest point is, when a guy who drew 25 years ago could still draw more than your current stars, well than it just means the current product sucks.

          • Jon S.

            I think we need to be careful here when you say that today’s wrestling fan is more interested in in-ring action than intriguing story lines. The IWC generally feels that way, but I don’t think that’s the case for the mainstream viewers. Case and point: John Cena is the most popular wrestler in the business, and many would argue that he is not a savant in the ring. Mind you, he has put together some great matches in his career so I don’t want to take anything from him, but if it was just based on in-ring action, then why doesn’t CM Punk or Daniel Bryan sell more merchandise than John Cena?

          • Jbreed

            First of all, if you ask every fan, IWC and mainstream, which is their favorite WWE show, I’m positive most of them will say Smackdown, because it’s more wrestling oriented. I’m sure of this because I’ve heard it said so many times on these blogs by IWC fans and by most of the mainstream wrestling fans I know. Secondly, John Cena sells more merchandise because of the 5 year old kids who don’t even know the difference between in-ring action and storylines.

          • Whammaster

            Punk/Bryan was given out on free tv because vince knew the IWC wanted to see it. Do you really .. REALLY think those 2 went all out for a free tv stint? Over-rated? You clearly have not seen any of their indy stuff, or even early work in wwe. Punk could only do so much with Ryback, considering he was shoved into that role. Curtis Axel’s state is on him, and no one else. Punk had good FREE matches with Axel, but when it came to ppv’s bullshit happened. I mean, this comment is so full of troll, i got sucked into making a comment.

          • Danny_Boy

            That’s why he’s the not best in the world. He doesn’t go all out for the fans the way the true greats do. Hart, Michaels, Mysterio, Guerrero would give it everything they had rather it be free tv or Wrestlemania. Punk & Bryan’s Indy work was a joke to. Punk buried both Ryback & Axel but of course the internet is going to give him a pass because Punk is God to you guys and he can do no wrong. And your right Punk could only do so much with Ryback because Punk isn’t that good. Did you catch the Cena vs Ryback match from Smacdown last Friday? Cena carried Ryback to a great match. Punk couldn’t do that on his best day. Around of applause for CM Punk, the most overrated in the world.

          • Danny_Boy

            That’s why he’s the not best in the world. He doesn’t go all out for the fans the way the true greats do. Hart, Michaels, Mysterio, Guerrero would give it everything they had rather it be free tv or Wrestlemania. Punk & Bryan’s Indy work was a joke to. Punk buried both Ryback & Axel but of course the internet is going to give him a pass because Punk is God to you guys and he can do no wrong. And your right Punk could only do so much with Ryback because Punk isn’t that good. Did you catch the Cena vs Ryback match from Smacdown last Friday? Cena carried Ryback to a great match. Punk couldn’t do that on his best day. Around of applause for CM Punk, the most overrated in the world.

          • Bob’s Diner

            Hey Danny_Boy – serious question here.
            What is your opinion of CM Punk’s match with The Undertaker from WrestleMania 29?

    • Jbreed

      What we shoud look forward to is a main event with two current stars at WM 30, the way it was with Hogan in the 80′s and the way it was in the late 90′s with Steve Austin instead of having to bring in guys from the past. But the problem is the WWE refuses to create,those stars. During every non-WM ppv everybody wants to see great matches but when it come to WM people would rather see a train wreck of a match between Hulk Hogan and John Cena because it sounds more intriguiging on paper. What a joke.

      • Jon S.

        Hogan had Warrior, Savage, and Andre, Austin had the Rock and Vince McMahon, but who does Cena have? Whether it is the fault of WWE for not producing stars or it is just luck of the draw, I don’t believe Cena has had a credible antagonist that rivaled Hogan and Austin’s feuds. There was a chance with it being Brock Lesnar if he didn’t leave in 2004. So who is a credible opponent for Cena on the current roster for WM 30? Or for that matter, what two current full-time stars would be credible for the main event at WM 30?

        • Jbreed

          Well there’s the problem, and the point I always try to make, and people seem to always criticisze me for it on these blogs. The current WWE sucks just because there are no possible macthups involving the current wrestlers capable sell WM.

          • Jon S.

            I share a similar sentiment, but I use caution when blaming WWE entirely for this. WWE caught lightening in a bottle when they had two of the greatest stars of all time in their primes in the same era (i.e., Austin and Rock). It might be a long time until something like that happens again.

          • Jbreed

            But you just pinpointed the problem with today’s WWE. It is the WWE’s fault because it’s no longer capable of creating a star who could challenge John Cena in the main event and sell the ppv like the Rock was able to do with Steve Austin. Or even The Ultimate Warrior was able to to with Hulk Hogan.

          • Bob’s Diner

            Agree with you a million times. WWE only has themselves to blame because they can’t push anyone other than Orton, Cena and HHH. And we’ve seen Orton vs Cena too many times for it to matter any more.

            Anyone else that shows a spark gets a half-attempt at a push, before being cut off and then blamed for their own failure.

          • Jbreed

            Finally somebody who understands what the number 1 problem is with the WWE today.

          • Xavier

            Can’t put all the blame on 3 people bro, Orton spent the last and a half out of the title scene after failing a test, and Cena put both Punk & Bryan over. Once a wrestler is put over it’s that wrestler’s responsibility to stay over, what should Cena do hold their hands thru the entire process? And who says that Punk & Bryan aren’t stars already? They are both super over and sell a ton of merch so clearly WWE was successful in getting them to stick with the fans (not just the IWC)

            WWE has tried on many times to put guys over and none of them stuck. From 2004 on the WWE invested heavily in Carlito, Chris Masters, Muhammed Hussan, MVP, Lashley & Kennedy and none of those guys are on the roster anymore and most of that is not WWE creatives fault. Kennedy had a bad reputation backstage for being very reckless in the ring. Guerrero, Michaels, Triple H, Finlay, Cena, Orton & The Undertaker on numerous occasions had to pull him aside and warn him about that. And on top of that he was injury prone, failed a couple of drug test and had a bad attitude to boot. Masters was on the juice and failed 3 test so he had to be late go. Carlito had a super lazy work ethic and a bad attitude. WWE had too kill the Hassan gimmick because of outside media pressure and the London bombings, Lashley’s undoing was Michael Hayes so I’ll give you that one. And I will again give you MVP as well, WWE creative killed his character in late 2008 with that 4 month losing streak. Now that was a burial, and I don’t toss that word around very often. But as you can see, a lot has gone wrong that was out of the control of the WWE’s hands so it’s premature to put all the blame on creative or on Cena, Orton & Triple H.

          • Bob’s Diner

            As always, you miss the point. I’m talking about making STARS.

            If you want a long story like yours, I am going to point out Zack Ryder. Was he the greatest wrestler? No. But he wanted a chance and when he couldn’t get any TV time, he went out of his way and on his own made a youtube show that got him a tonne of support and interest. How big was that interest? A soldout MSG crowd chanted “WE WANT RYDER” at The ROck – after his first match in 7 years, no less. AND STILL Ryder couldn’t get any TV time.

            There is a promotional interview for WrestleMania that year where the interviewer asked HHH why Ryder wasn’t on the card. His response? Nobody watches that youtube show and it was all Ryder’s fault he can’t get over and be a star.

            Then he finally got some TV time, got made to look like a total fool, had his youtube show brought under the WWE umbrella and buried to the point where no cares about him at all anymore.

            I’m sick of hearing about how Orton was out of the title picture for a year for his wellness violation. 1 year out of the last 6 is not much. And he is 1 strike away from being fired, so why should he be in the title picture? He is no better than Jeff Hardy.

            And in closing, since WrestleMania 22 there are only 2 men that have won the Royal Rumble and used it to Main Event WrestleMania and challenge for the WWE Title (the #1 title in the company). And guess who they are? John Cena and Randy Orton.

            That right there sums it up

          • Bob’s Diner

            But they will never know if they don’t give people a chance. Just going back to the same wrestlers because they are popular achieves nothing long-term because it does not elevate anyone new. And that is entirely WWE’s fault, so why should we not be blaming them?

        • Whammaster

          Early on, it was Umaga, however WWE squashed that option when they had Cena DESTROYED him. Of course it dont help that he died.

          • Danny_Boy

            That sounds very similar to what Punk did to Ryback in 2012. He destroyed him.

          • Nick K

            Ryback destroyed himself, we get it you like big men, its 2013 you don’t have to be so defensive about it.

        • Bob’s Diner

          Brock Lesnar could have given them another chance in 2012 but they blew that. CM Punk was on his way to being a credible threat and they blew that too. Gosh, Mark Henry gave them multiple chances the last couple of years – even just a few months ago. How long did that last?

          When you have Cena and Orton beating each new top-level player every couple of months, it is hard for them to become viable contenders

          • Xavier

            Lesnar didn’t have a chance because Lesnar doesn’t want tobe that guy. He only wants to work 3 or 4 dates a year so that’s on him. He was the one who decided to talk out of the company in 04 when Vince wanted him to be the guy. And Henry was never going to be the guy because he isn’t good enough to be that guy, that’s not a knock on him but let’s be real here, it took Henry 10 years just to work his way up into being a top heel and by then he was already in his mid 30s. And from 06 thru 11 he missed a huge chunk of that due to injuries, as a matter of fact. Henry has been injury prone his entire career so who’s fault is that?

            And again, see my post below. Cena put over Punk & Bryan when they were red hot so how is he beating each new top-level player? Maybe they are the problem and not Cena, has that ever occurred to you guys?

            And Orton actually lost to the guy you just referred to (Henry) and lost to the Shield a bunch when they came into the company.

          • Bob’s Diner

            I think you misunderstand – I was meaning Lesnar could have been a threat. Instead no one would care if he were to face John Cena now, because Cena beat him. That match has no interest whatsoever. Whereas if done right, it could have been a WrestleMania match with huge interest. Punk could have been seen as viable, but the Summer of Punk got derailed by him getting made to look like a chump by the clique. His long title reign afterwards was great but never had a chance of having real impact because it was so obvious he was dropping it to The Rock to set up The Rock vs Cena 2.

            I don’t blame guys like John Cena for this – it is the WWE machine. They need to build things instead of rushing stuff. Mark Henry’s promo this year got a tonne of interest (just for example) but it was too soon and after losing to John Cena a few weeks later they turned him face and that was it. At no time did anyone seriously think he was going to beat Cena, when if done right he could have been booked strong for a couple of months before doing the match.

            That’s just me, anyway

    • Scott Davies

      I agree with you. It was The Rock v Hogan that got me into Wrestling & decide to research wrestling’s past. Hogan v Cena you have 2 very strong, but opposite personalities. but you are right, that it creates the emotion of what Wrestlemania should be. Not every moment in Wrestling was because of good in ring work. Andre v Hogan at mania 3 was a terrible match, but it was the moment where Hogan body slammed Andre people talk about. 60 Minute Ironman match was boring as hell, but the moment at the end with HBK super kicking Bret Hart & winning stand out. Richard is crowing on because he is not Daniel Bryan or in his prime so he does not want to see it. Who cares what he thinks, maybe the rest of us are interested for the moment. Hulk Hogan is the biggest name in Wrestling. WWE promotes him, that gets the attention of older fans who have stopped watching the product. But I also don’t see Vince promoting that match at all. Cena v Hogan would be nothing more than a attraction match. Like the first Rock v Cena match, Like all of Andre The Giant matches.

  • Ashley

    I could not agree more with you Richard! He couldn’t do much in a match to begin with, let alone now! I thought his last run in WWE should have been the last time he wrestled cuz he could barely move. And to answer the other commenters question, yes his divorce is one of the MANY reasons why when I hear or see his name, I go “ugh.” And let’s not kid ourselves, I doubt he would “pass the torch” to Cena and take a loss. He wants the match and to win, just like with HBK and Orton. The man is disgustingly out for himself and no one else. He is a reason not to order WM.

    • Jon S.

      What about when Steve Austin made headlines for being charged with domestic abuse against Debra Marshall in 2002? Didn’t stop him from drawing with the Rock at WM19.

      • Ashley

        And? That doesn’t mean I support him.

        • Jon S.

          I understand, and nobody should support domestic abuse, but my initial response about Hogan’s highly publicized divorce was directed towards the author’s argument that this would make the Hogan/Cena match draw less. I was simply providing a precedent which is counter to that argument.

          • Ashley

            I understand. Hogan and his family have done several things these last few years to damage his reputation. I think the nasty divorce is just one more thing that has made the public have disdain for him. I feel Cena’s divorce is a different issue as it was clearly shown his ex wanted it nasty for more money (which I am embarrassed as a woman about.) Just how Hohan handles himself in these situations is also a big reason why I can’t stand hi m. Now I didn’t say the match match wouldn’t draw but that doesn’t mean they should or that the match would be any good.

          • Bob’s Diner

            I’m pretty sure beating your wife trumps anything Hogan has done.

            People look back on Austin with rose-colored glasses and forget that about the domestic violence episode and walking out on the company twice because he didn’t get his way

          • Xavier

            Teach. I 1000% agree with you here. Yes that is correct I 1000% agree with you here, that wasn’t a typo lol.

          • Ashley

            I guess I missed the part where I gave Austin a pass and said Hogan was worse. Oh that’s right, I didn’t. And I do agree ppl have rose colored glasses when it to comes austin, just like they do with Attitude era in general.

  • Kevin Taylor

    You know how a while back you asked your viewers what they wanted to see more of on this site? I sent in more personal blogs (or something like that). Anyway, I’ve gotten my wish. Well done sir. More of this please.

    • http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/ Richard Gray

      Thanks man. I wanted to do at least one a week and while I haven’t gotten there yet I am posting more of them.

  • Josh

    I absolutely agree with everything you have said Richard. But I wonder do you think Vince would pass up on the possiblitlity of marketing Hogan VS Cena?

  • Gary Robert

    The match itself would be horrible but the emotion from the fans would be still be epic, especially against Cena.

  • Nostaljack

    I agree with every syllable of this. Hogan needs to move on. By and large, we are burnt out. Go away for a while and come back in a NON-WRESTLING roll. His ability to talk hasn’t really eroded (unlike Flair’s and Piper’s) so it might be nice to see him in that capacity…later, much later.

  • Mike McCarthy

    I just bought my Wrestlemania tickets when they went on sale and I’m not gonna lie, I’ll be disappointed if he wrestles on the show. Since The Rock might not do the show they need as many strong matches as possible which we all know Hogan can’t do.

    • Bob’s Diner

      I’m not being mean, but this is the problem – by the time they get around to finally announcing the main event, this show will have long been sold out. And that is why I will always say that the wrestlers these days are not the draw but WWE is:
      WrestleMania III had a huge crowd because people wanted to see Hogan vs Andre.
      WrestleMania XXX will have a huge crowd because people want to go to WreslteMania. They could have Orton vs Hornswoggle for the title and still get 80,000 people in the crowd

    • Bob’s Diner

      I’m not being mean, but this is the problem – by the time they get around to finally announcing the main event, this show will have long been sold out. And that is why I will always say that the wrestlers these days are not the draw but WWE is:
      WrestleMania III had a huge crowd because people wanted to see Hogan vs Andre.
      WrestleMania XXX will have a huge crowd because people want to go to WreslteMania. They could have Orton vs Hornswoggle for the title and still get 80,000 people in the crowd

      • Mike McCarthy

        I’m not entirely sure what this has to do with my comment….
        The reason people go to Wrestlemania because every year they put on great matches with huge names and is always epic. Hulk Hogan is incapable of putting on an epic match, which is why I said I’d be disappointed if he were to wrestle. If you believe that WWE only cares about the money and not the show, then there’d be no point i

        • Mike McCarthy

          In paying Hogan’s large price tag if they already sold tickets. You’re also forgetting about the DVD sales that will be very hurt if there isn’t good matches on the show.

        • Guest

          Name 3 good matches from this year’s show

        • Bob’s Diner

          This has to do with your comment, because you are part of the problem. You already bought tickets and expect them to deliver you matches AFTER buying your tickets. That’s like buying tickets to a music festival when there is no lineup announced at all, and then complaining because it turns out to be buskers

          And name 3 good matches from this year’s show. The worst match on SummerSlam this year better than 80% of WrestleMania this year

          • Mike McCarthy

            there’s no matches but there are ADVERTISED workers, John Cena, Brock Lesnar, Undertaker, CM Punk, Randy Orton, people pay for THESE names. Not only that, the year prior also sells tickets. When people see something epic like Cena vs. The Rock or Undertaker vs. CM Punk, they make the fans want to make sure they’re at the next years show so you can be a part of infinite moments like this. An infinite moment isn’t made up of Hogan trying to wrestle and paralyzing himself. I have no problem with Hogan being on the show, just not WRESTLING. Because he’s not in good condition, I never said I had a problem with Hogan I’m saying I have a problem with him injuring himself because he doesn’t owe WWE or any other wrestling company ANYTHING. He gave them decades of his life, and has nothing left to prove. If you would like to see him wrestle than you’re just selfish, because the bottom line is he’s not 100%, hell, he probably isn’t even 50%. Why can’t he be the special guest referee in a match? Why can’t he be used as a manager? He doesn’t need to wrestle. The reason I’m saying I’d feel ripped off is not because I hate Hogan. It’s World Wrestling ENTERTAINMENT, I buy my ticket to be entertained. Watching a 60 year old man possibly get paralyzed for the rest of his life is NOT entertaining, it’s horrific.

          • Bob’s Diner

            You said you would be disappointed if he wrestled and they need to put on good matches. And that you had already bought your ticket.. My point still stands, that if you buy your ticket without any knowledge of the card then you have no reason to complain about the matches once they are finally advertised.

            As I said, I wouldn’t buy tickets to something like Lollapalooza without first knowing who would be performing

          • Mike McCarthy

            ….I just disproved everything you said? you’re just restating it? I’ll try and spell it out clearer, the ticket is sold on the ADVERTISED talent and PREVIOUS WrestleMania’s. Hulk Hogan isn’t advertised nor can he put on a good match. There is a level of expectation for the matches put on at the show. People bought tickets because John Cena, Brock Lesnar, Undertaker, CM Punk, Mark Henry, Randy Orton and Alberto Del Rio were advertised and/or because the quality of Wrestlemania 29 made them want to make sure they were in attendance the next year. Maybe your point stands at a situation like the SuperBowl because the NFL has no control of what teams play, but that’s not the case.

          • Bob’s Diner

            You aren’t disproving anything at all. Here is your quote:

            “I just bought my Wrestlemania tickets when they went on sale and I’m not
            gonna lie, I’ll be disappointed if he wrestles on the show. Since The
            Rock might not do the show they need as many strong matches as possible
            which we all know Hogan can’t do.”

            You’ve bought your ticket. You don’t know the matches. How is it WWE’s fault if you don’t like the matches you are given? You say you’ve bought on the names advertised but just because Brock Lesnar is advertised doesn’t mean he will be wrestling in an amazing match. They could put him against The Miz in a blindfold match. They have that right because you and 80,000 other people would have already bought your ticket – you just want to see the big names in action, regardless of the match.

            You are going for the spectacle of WrestleMania, not for any particular match. And that was the point I have been trying to make. It is why WrestleMania the last 3 years has done 1,000,000 million buys and crowds of 70,000 while their TV ratings are now down to what they were in 1996.

          • Mike McCarthy

            I feel so foolish, I should have realized you were a troll commenter.

          • Bob’s Diner

            Why? Because you have no argument?

            We all do it – we all watch WrestleMania regardless of how terrible it can be. This year’s was a prime example. But it is probably part of the reason the company refuses to move forward, because they see how little effort they have to do to sell out an arena of 80,000 and then forcefeed them Randy Orton vs John Cena vs HHH vs Vince McMahon so they can call it the biggest main event in the history of WrestleMania

          • Mike McCarthy

            I have no argument? I’ve disproved you twice, you’re just oblivious to any opinion other than your own. That’s what a troll is. All you’ve done is frequently restate your opinion.

          • Bob’s Diner

            How have you disproved me at all?
            You’ve said why you bought your ticket, but not why WWE will give you matches you want or why they should. You went on a tirade about Hogan and why you don’t want to watch him wrestle and that is fine. Normal people with eyes shouldn’t want to watch him wrestle. But why should you be disappointed if he wrestles John Cena – John Cena was advertised as you said, and if you get a John Cena vs Hulk Hogan match then they are giving you John Cena as advertised. How are they disappointing you? They never said “John Cena in the greatest wrestling match of all time”

            If anything, you have only proven my point

          • Mike McCarthy

            Ok, let me make this crystal clear. Then I’m done with you. WWE sells tickets based on PAST WRESTLEMANIAS, they’ve set a standard for the quality of matches that are on the card, as of late even the undercard have been good matches. Hogan CANNOT put on a WrestleMania quality match. I’ll again point to the DVD sales which would plummet if it features

          • Bob’s Diner

            Past WrestleManias have great matches? Obviously you didn’t watch this year’s. Or 27. Or 50% of the overall WrestleManias. A WrestleMania quality match is not about the technical abilities of the opponents – it is about the hype and drama surrounding the match.

            Read their press release – they sell a spectacle. They themselves call it a “pop-culture phenomenon”. You obviously buy into the hype and believe WrestleMania is the greatest wrestling event in the universe. This year, SummerSlam was a million times better and the quality of matches were far superior, yet it did a quarter of the sales (tickets and buyrates). And you didn’t hear Vince McMahon saying ‘That’s ok, it will sell better next year because we had great matches’

          • Mike McCarthy

            Like I said, I’m done with you. This website is for people who can act maturely not go on a rant when they don’t get there way. If it pleases you then congratulations, you’re correct. You’re smarter than anybody that’s ever watched wrestling.

          • Mike McCarthy

            Doesn’t feature** top quality matches

  • Mike Love

    Just out of curiosity did anybody even watch “Hogan Knows Best”? To be broad (and hopefully not ignorant) I feel as if his tenure in the reality section of TV entertainment is where I [at least] started to take him less seriously.

  • Jbreed

    Anybody who wants to see Hulk Hogan/John Cena at WM 30 is an idiot.

  • Chris

    Great article Richard, the thing with hogan is he is always in it for himself, say for argument sake the match happened and hogan got hurt because of his back, he wouldn’t think twice about suing wwe for millions,

  • Zack Krasney

    Great article Richard! Wrote a similar piece last week in WWEnews.net, http://www.wwenews.net/hulk-hogan-when-is-enough-enough/ (sorry for the shameless self plug lol)
    Hogan needs to just let it go. His story reminds me so much of the movie The Wrestler it is scary.

  • Dave Barton

    It doesn’t matter what we, the smarter fans, want. Its what the average wrestling fan wants that matters…and chances are, they’ll want Hogan/Cena. Biggest downside to that is that neither man would have someone to carry him to a great match…but again, I’m talking like a smart fan, not the average fan who pops for everything Hogan & Cena does.

    • smark calloway

      i have to agree because to the average fan on the street hogan has disappeared and been away for wrestling for years ( as they probably wouldnt have heard of tna and known he was even in it ) and the red and yellow is still a brand, that when marketed correctly is still known the world over . and despite not being able to do much in the ring hogan can still tell a story out there ( which at the main event level is the most important thing ) . hogan has never done much in the ring but he has always captured the crowds emotions in the palm of his hand. he is a shroud businessman and master of the craft whether we like it or not . he wouldnt have lasted in the business in the position hes been at for nearly 30 years if he wasnt. and cena knows what hes doing out there , he is more than capable of putting on a show ( a story ) with hulk. and lets not forget hulk is the master of working everybody , whats to say hes even as injured as badly as he says he is ( yes hes obviously hurting but maybe he was just phonying it in a little bit more in tna to get out of doing matches , and doing jobs to save himself for that one last hurrah and big wrestlemania payoff match ..you cant put anything past hulk..like i said he is a master politician and subscribes to the ” its all a work, brother ” theory ) ..hulk vs cena would be a spectacle, and thats what wrestlemania is all about – the spectacle..would it be a 5 star classic ? probably not ..would the crowd go crazy watching these two icons go face to face in the ring ? ..as rock vs hogan has proved yes they would! . .. and plus it would leave the fans going home happy with both of them posing in the ring together, in a cena marking out moment ..also vince loves his ” once in a lifetime matches ” at mania and this would indeed be a once in a lifetime ( hopefully )…would it draw? i think so. would it be popular with the iwc? ..no ( but we are the small 10 percent minority remember that ) ..would it get over with the casual fan..i think it would ( cena/hulk are both basically household names ) ..would both stars get a huge payday from it ? yes they would ( so im sure the two stars wouldnt turn it down )…would hulk merchandise still sell ? ( maybe not as much as cena nowadays but i think it still would. he has older fans who might buy his stuff for nostalgia reasons ).i must admit from a spectacle point of view it interests me , from an in ring point of view i know its not gonna be an hbk/angle spectacular …but from wwe points of view i think theres no reason why they wouldnt go ahead with it ..i think it would equal buyrates, it would be a spectacle and it would generate money for them ( from the wrestlemania match itself , ticket sells, merchandise ..a hulk special dvd etc ) and money is the most important thing for wwe

    • Jbreed

      But,even the average fan complains about not getting their moneys worth at a ppv becaue the in-ring action, which is what ppv evenets are all about, didn’t deliver. But yet they would pay in advance for Hulk Hogan/John Cena knowing it would be a train wreck. Most wrestling fans make no sense.

  • Guilherme Jaeger

    Hi, great article Richard. I always like to compare any old wrestler who still wants to perform with the greatest to ever do it at a really high level while being really old, which is japanese legend Genichiro Tenryu. Now, I say Tenryu is the greatest, and I know Johnny Saint still does it at a good level, but he never was the star and international champion Tenryu was. Tenryu nowadays is 63 year-old and is not able to perform big singles matches, but is still active. Ten years ago though, he was holding AJPW’s Triple Crown and carrying it’s brand while being a 53-year old free agent and performing at a HIGH level, having classic matches and not being “carried” at all. Tenryu, though, is an exception. He, like his protege Toshiaki Kawada, always worked a style that made him able to do this while maintaining his body as good as possible. Hogan didn’t do that, traveling all over the world, doing back-stressing leg drops every match, plus he never was the most technically gifted wrestler to begin with, even though he was not as bad as some judge him to be. Now, why am I saying all of this? Because this is bad for all parties involved. WWE would probably get a good buyrate out of a Hogan-Cena, but only because of the novelty it envolves. It’s ill advised though for several reasons. Hogan says he can still take bumps and silence the haters. But no one says Hogan can’t do it. He SHOULDN’T do it, that’s the point. As much as his health, his legacy also suffers from probably not fulfilling the lofty expectations due to him being past his prime. Cena gets nothing, because he already beaten the greatest superstar of his past generation, he already got the proverbial passing of the torch. Plus, WWE let a generational dream match main event two Wrestlemanias in a row now, with two guys still in their athletic primes. It would be wise for them to stay away from that formula again, especially considering Hogan is far past his prime, and focus on the present and the future. Now, I don’t think they have given up on Daniel Bryan like most do. I think the move back the card for now was necessary to not let him become stale too quickly. It’s not my favourite decision but I get it, and he will be back on top soon, I believe. If WWE wants another generational dream match, I think their best business would be to try and do everything in their power to convince HBK to do it against Daniel Bryan, because he could probably still perform at a high level. If not, Triple H then.

    To sum it up, because I sidetracked a lot from the main part: Hogan-Cena will probably draw, but it wouldn’t be worth it because it hurts Hogan’s past, does nothing to Cena and the present face of the company, and greatly prejudices WWE from giving itself a chance at a better future.

    • Jon S.

      I enjoyed your insight. There’s a lot of discussion about Hogan being past his prime in terms of his wrestling ability (or lack thereof). Need we be reminded that he is very limited in the ring to begin with?

      How would Hogan/Cena hurt Hogan’s past? He’s been in and out of wrestling since the early 90′s- nothing new here. And on one hand you are concerned about preserving Hogan’s past, yet you want HBK to come out of retirement (which came from a loss at WrestleMania, no less)?

      • Guilherme Jaeger

        Hogan hurts his past because 1. While people would buy it, my belief is that he wouldn’t deliver the in-ring product due to not being in shape to deliver near what he could in his prime, which wasn’t great to begin with. And 2. His obvious multiple health concerns. How many surgeries has he had already? And he still keeps doing it. I’m not big on telling people what they should or shouldn’t do, but I worry about him. Plus, I personally am not interested because I know I wouldn’t enjoy it. And if he somehow comes out of it unhurt, he will have put a subpar match and (probably) will lose to a guy who needs no rub from him. So, the spectacle wouldn’t deliver in itself in my opinion, and also I don’t think it would mean much to justify doing it anyways. To me, that isn’t necessarily intersting, but to each is own. I believe Shawn could still do it at a high level, that’s their main distinction. And I said IF WWE wants another dream match. I would enjoy it, but I don’t necessarily want it or need it to happen. I understand why Shawn wouldn’t want to come back and support that.

        • Jon S.

          Have you seen Hogan’s matches? People act like he’s HBK in the ring. Furthermore, Hogan’s greatest asset in the ring is to sell, to tell a story with his emotions, which in the end is the most important asset of a true babyface. It’s all about ring psychology, which I believe is a lost art nowadays.

          • Guilherme Jaeger

            Yes, I have watched quite a bit of Hogan’s matches. And while I agree with you that ring psychology is a lost art, and that it truly is the greatest aspect a wrestler needs to have in the ring (and it’s why amazing athletes like, for example, Justin Gabriel can’t get over at all), he still has to be phisically able to do some things to put up a show with a minimum ammount of effort. I think Hogan cannot do that anymore, and while in average, people would probably be emotionally invested as it is Hogan, my feeling is that most would leave thinking “you know, that wasn’t really worth my money, it wasn’t really good”.

  • paul

    In my view. Hogan should of retired and cone away from wrestling in 2003 after the nwo angle finished and his 1 last run as the ‘real American’ gimmick. Since then i have had the sence fron the iwc that Hogan has done anything to stay prolific in the wrestling world that the fans have turned on him. Hogan doesn’t know when enough is enough. and that is hurting his legacy.
    Dont be supprised that if hogans music hits on raw before wrestlemania. He won’t have the cheers they think. They will end up with a lot of heel heat.
    Fans are not stupid. They may like to see Hogan for nostalgia reasons. But a match. No.
    Personally. I don’t want to see Hogan at all. He has had his time and has burned his nostalgia by not staying away and going to tna. (who I feel destroyed it by getting rid of the 6 sided ring) he should of been like other legends like piper. Stay away until vince wants to use them for nostalgia.

    • Jon S.

      You realize that most fans don’t know about his stint in TNA right?

  • Nick K

    The first paragraph is a slap in the face to every premium member on this site. So now you report news based on your opinion? This is now the wrestling equivalent of msnbc or fox and it really hurts your credibility. Been saying it for awhile and every day it becomes more and more true, that ego is getting too big.

    • http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/ Richard Gray

      The job of an editor regardless of the publication is to decide what is fit for print. That is what sets the standard for quality of the website. This is the definition of a “troll” comment.

      • http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/ Richard Gray

        Also one more thing… If you read that Hogan, while under TNA contract, wanted to face Cena at Wrestlemania you would think I had lost my mind! And given your confrontational nature, you would have been first in line to call me on the carpet for it!

        • Nick K

          Wow you know me so well, if i had posted two more lines in that you’d be qualified to write a biography about me. All kidding aside i believe on some level you know im right. I’ve been a premium member for a very long time and honestly that’s not something i want to hear from the person im paying to provide me with that type of news. I don’t see that as an acceptable approach and as a long time paying customer i done feel i should be shy about it. I guess its fair to say im confrontationalbut even when i complain i also tend to give you credit for the site and as for saying that’s a troll comment, that’s just absurd its a fair point. Tolling is trying to cause problems without a real reason, i think its quite clear what my grief is here and you don’t have to like it but labelling it as tolling is simply incorrect.

          • Nick K

            posted from my phone all mentions of tolling obviously are meant to be trolling.

          • http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/ Richard Gray

            When I say someone is a troll or trolling, I’m not name calling. You began your comment with an attack. It wasn’t a well-meaning complaint, it wasn’t a professional critique – it was an attack. Comments such as that rile up the detractors that can’t wait to jump on board (see the reply from PFELton).

            If you have a legitimate complaint you are more than welcome to email me or message me on Facebook. The thing is, I find people are not near as hateful when it’s one-on-one. I think you were looking for a fight/argument because this entire back-and-forth is asinine (the editor edits?!?).

            For example, PFELton doesn’t like me because they feel I sensationalized the Darren Young coming out story. So while you’re mad because there are some things I don’t post, they’re mad at some things I DO post (but they also don’t care to insult me when they get the chance).

            At the end of the day I have a judgment call with every story I write. There is a process I take every bit of information I receive through and if it doesn’t meet those qualifications, I don’t post it. The Hogan/Cena stuff was too ridiculous to post at the time. I mention it now because it’s in our face.

            I appreciate your support of the website and for reading our articles. It’s because of you we are able to do what we do and for that I am thankful. However, if you have a legitimate problem please email me or message me on FB and I’ll be glad to give you the one-on-one attention that you deserve.

    • PFElton

      He’s the editor of a wrestling rumor site, and he thinks it makes him some kind of celebrity.

      • Republicans suck

        Your still a joke dude. Go back to FOXnews.

  • Snap

    I will agree that I really don’t have any desire to see Hulk Hogan in a wrestling ring any more, I really don’t see any reason why there shouldn’t be one last Hogan match at WrestleMania. Except, of course, the concept that it would be against John Cena.

    Let’s go back in time a few years and recall that Bret Hart made his return to WrestleMania and he’s in just as bad of ring shape as Hogan because one bad bump could trigger another stroke or worse, but they presented the Hart vs. McMahon encounter.

    It’s fine to utilize Vince McMahon in that sort of role but, back to the present, relegating John Cena to that would be a waste. The match, on paper, is a good idea with what is essentially the modern Hogan vs. classic Hogan. Unlike with The Rock, however, if Cena were to lose it would do more harm than good and the question which remains is would Hogan agree to do the job? He didn’t with HBK or Randy Orton during his last run in WWE so, to use WWE’s favourite phrase these days, would Hogan do what’s best for business in that scenario?

    As we’ve already seen Hogan vs. McMahon at WrestleMania, is there anybody other than Cena whom Hogan could have his marquee match with? Perhaps, if WWE were to sign Sting.

    • Bob’s Diner

      I don’t see why he should have put over Shawn Michaels – he didn’t need it, and the fans got a happy Hogan ending.

      And Sting? We’ve seen that match for 15 years now

  • Justin Lal

    I’m all for seeing John Cena vs. Hulk Hogan only if there is tension between the two in the buildup leading to their WM match. And who would be better to ignite the tensions between the two than Roddy Piper on a segment of Piper’s Pit. Imagine if Piper asked Cena if Hulk Hogan would last in today’s WWE. Cena gives a BS answer… Piper asks again and Cena says Hogan wouldn’t have lasted in today’s WWE. Cena can pretty much say that he has withstood the negativity from fans for 9 years and rose about that whereas the one time the fans turned up the heat on Hulk Hogan he told the fans to “stick it.” Hogan can counter by saying he put the WWE on the map, then left and ended up putting WCW on the map. He can tell Cena that if he went to another organization he wouldn’t be able to do what Hogan did in WCW.

    If they did something like we would have an unbelievable storyline with realism and intrigue. Ask yourself what other potential match at WM can do this? None. If they do CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan what are they going to argue — who is the better wrestler? Boring.

    Match quality at WM is important, but what’s bigger is the build up and giving fans enough reason to order the PPV. This is something a lot of fans fail to grasp. The potential storyline I’ve laid out makes a lot of sense and when the match is over, Cena is victorious and he joins Hogan to pose it will drive one obvious fact into the minds of every fan: No one else in the history of wrestling could been in John Cena’s shoes and thrived like he did. Not Hulk Hogan, not Steve Austin, not The Rock, not anyone.

    • Bob’s Diner

      “He can tell Cena that if he went to another organization he wouldn’t be able to do what Hogan did in WCW”

      The problem is, that is true.

  • Bob’s Diner

    I’m just a little confused, though. Hogan has been saying he wants a match with Cena since his divorce when he said he’d come to WrestleMania and lay down for Cena just because he wanted to be there (and obviously could do with the big payday)

    Why is everyone getting so worked up now?

    Probably not going to happen. This is a ‘special’ WrestleMania and after this year’s disappointing event and how much they push John Cena as such a draw, does anyone really believe they won’t put him in the main event for a title match??

  • John

    The WrestleMania 30 lineup has been strongly rumored online and Cena is not on it.. I assume this match is a possibility no matter how absurd it would be.

    • Bob’s Diner

      Rumors eh?

      Remember when it was rumored Justin Bieber was going to be at WrestleMania? How many years in a row did we get that rumor? And ACDC were ‘strongly rumored online’ to perform at WrestleMania XXV – only they were like ‘uuhh.. no!’

      Oh, and the rumor Eminem was training to wrestle with WWE?

      Yeah… rumors are fun

      • John

        These “rumors” were actually report’s from the Wrestling Observer so yeah i’m not actually talking about IWC/twitter rumors.

        If CM Punk wins the Royal Rumble & faces Randy Orton at WrestleMania then you will know that these “rumors” were indeed true…

        • Bob’s Diner

          Wrestling Observor were also the ones saying Justin Beiber was performing at WrestleMania. And Dave Meltzer tried to tell everyone it was a different Ashley Massaro that was charging $25,000 a night as an escort…

          So yeah, they’ve been known to be wrong. And Meltzer certainly puts out misinformation at times

          I personally don’t see CM Punk winning anything any time soon. Other than more matches against Paul Heyman’s lackies. I sure don’t want to see that match at WrestleMania again

        • Bob’s Diner

          Huh I thought I had replied, but maybe it didn’t work…
          Anyway, The Observor aren’t exactly trustworthy – pretty sure they were the ones that started the whole Justin Bieber rumors to being with. And as for Dave Meltzer, the dude has been known to put out misinformation. Remember when he was desparately trying to tell everyone that it was a different Ashley Massaro that charged $25,000 a night as an escort?

          I don’t want to see CM Punk vs Randy Orton at WrestleMania – it has been done before. How about they give us something different for once?

          If CM Punk does indeed win the Royal Rumble then you have my word I will say you were right. I just don’t see that happening. I’m more inclined to think we’ll see the said title match at the Rumble…

  • thekaz

    The only way this match works, is if Cena turns heel.

  • K!NG

    As much as i respect Hogan and his Contribution to Pro Wrestling. I do not want to see him in a match at all as i feel it takes time away from younger up and coming talent on the biggest show off the year but it also says a lot about the current talent in WWE as they are not trusted to headline such a big show. except for John Cena.

    • Jon S.

      So you want WM to focus on up and coming talent? Re-watch WM 29. It featured a ton of up and coming talent (Fandango anyone?) and it turned out to be a train wreck. The only saving grace was a part-timer in the Undertaker vs a veteran in CM Punk.

      • Bob’s Diner

        And two of the most boring matches on the card were a veteran HHH vs a part-timer Brock Lesnar, and a part-timer in The Rock vs a veteran in John Cena

  • Society’s Downfall

    No matter what Hulkamania will always run wild……atleast in Hogan’s mind.

  • Guest

    I have read many things that came from this man, and I have often been disappointed by the bias, spelling mistakes, and grammatical errors. Some articles are also filled with negativity. I feel like I am reading a teenager’s posts on Tumblr, sometimes.

    You do not report what you feel like reporting. Some would argue that this would make you a part of the wonderful Fox News team.

    When it concerns the biggest name in the history of professional wrestling – this is not even debatable – you report it, without bias. Your opinion, when you are a reporter, takes a backseat to the news itself. You do not label anything as ridiculous, even if you think so. This is highly unprofessional.

    Saying that people would have called you names if you had reported the news is just an excuse. You report it, period. If people call you names, ignore them. There will always be such people, unfortunately.

    An editor also makes sure that everything is accurate, and correct, including every word. It is not because we are professional wrestling fans that we are ignorant.

    I know that I do not exactly sound positive, here, but I am. This is called constructive criticism. Fix those things and it will be very good. Most news are already somewhat accurate – as much as they can be, sometimes. Improving is always possible.

  • Jorge

    Richard,

    This is a very well written article

  • tman

    Damn after reading this article the
    Logical question to ask is :
    WHATCHA GONNA DO RICHARD GRAY WHEN HULKAMANIA RUNS WILD ON YOU

  • PirateKing

    If Hogan came back as a manage like Zeb Colter or Paul Heyman I think that would be a perfect fit for him at his age and physical condition. It would keep him in the ring and in the public eye but safe from physical injury from the wrong bump.

  • PirateKing

    If Hogan came back as a manage like Zeb Colter or Paul Heyman I think that would be a perfect fit for him at his age and physical condition. It would keep him in the ring and in the public eye but safe from physical injury from the wrong bump.

  • mike d

    let me Make this Short and Sweet Hogan is old man with proud history. but take him for wrestle again is stupid. that will be a slap in the face of young upcoming talents.