Updated Wrestlemania XXX Plans, Sandow’s Push, MVP In TNA, Lesnar Storyline, The Miz’s Interruption

What are the updated plans for Wrestlemania XXX?

Plans for Wrestlemania XXX have been more “up in the air” this year than some of my sources can ever remember. Vince McMahon likes to have Wrestlemania planned up to a year in advance but this year it just hasn’t happened. From not getting part-time talent locked down to other issues, the plans have constantly changed. However, the plans for the show as of this writing are to do Randy Orton vs. Batista, Brock Lesnar vs. The Undertaker, John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt and Daniel Bryan vs. Triple H. I was told they were looking at doing Goldust vs. Cody Rhodes and Rey Mysterio pitched a match against Alberto Del Rio.  Obviously these plans are subject to change with the only “sure thing” being Batista challenging for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship in response to winning the Royal Rumble.

Why hasn’t Damien Sandow received a push at all? It seems that the WWE is burying him.

When Damien Sandow won the Money in the Bank briefcase last year, many thought the push was on. WWE extended it out only for his “cash in” attempt against John Cena to be unsuccessful. When the bout took place, the feeling was it was evaluation by losing. However, Sandow has remained a staple of the WWE undercard with no clear path for a push in sight. We could say the same thing about Dolph Ziggler, who has been forgettable since his brief run as World Heavyweight Champion. I can’t provide a definitive answer as to why this is but can only speculate he is not someone Vince McMahon sees money in at this current juncture. Wrestlemania season is also a poor time for new elevations as even upper mid card workers are forced to take a backseat to the Wrestlemania headliners.

I was under the impression that the MVP name and rights were owned by WWE. So how is it being used in TNA?

We cleared this up at this link. WWE owns the trademark to Montel Vontavious Porter, so apparently it’s OK to use the initials MVP. MVP is a big part of TNA’s plans going forward and is someone the writers are looking to build around.

What happened to the story where Brock Lesnar wanted an opponent on Raw the week before? Everyone assumed at the time that he would face Batista at Elimination Chamber but now it seems Alberto Del Rio will be doing that.

WWE progressed this in last week’s kayfabe Triple H interview. The storyline is The Authority was willing to give Brock Lesnar a chance to qualify for the Elimination Chamber match but due to Paul Heyman giving them “two choices,” they took it as Lesnar felt he was “above” qualifying. Hunter, in-character, said he doesn’t do well with “or else” and that Brock probably won’t show his face for a little bit. He also laughed off Lesnar “attacking” Cody Rhodes and Goldust. The plan even before Royal Rumble was to do Batista vs. Alberto Del Rio at Elimination Chamber, which is something I expect them to stick with.

What was up with The Miz running out during Titus O’Neil’s squash match against Zack Ryder on this week’s episode of Raw?

Some of my Twitter followers thought The Miz was “pulling a CM Punk” by coming out and grabbing the headset on Raw but this was a scripted segment. He’ll return to the ring on this week’s episode of WWE Main Event, which was taped Tuesday night in Des Moines, Iowa.

From the Ask WNW vault…

February 2012: With many wrestlers releasing books over the years, which have you liked the most and which have you liked the least? - I read a lot and while not a comprehensive list, I can give you some recommendations and some books to avoid. Some of my favorites have been Bret Hart’s autobiography, Chris Jericho’s “A Lion’s Tale” (I’m currently reading his second one), The Stone Cold Truth and Eric Bischoff’s “Controversy Creates Cash.” Bret Hart’s book is one of the best pro wrestling books ever penned, giving readers a complete look inside the business. While I don’t agree with all of Hart’s personal opinions, he provides a detailed account of how things work. Chris Jericho’s books are filled with humor and are very fun to read. Steve Austin’s story is interesting how he rose to stardom and while I skipped the beginning of Bischoff’s book (because I don’t care about his upbringing), his prospective on how things went down in WCW is interesting. My book to avoid would be “Ring of Hell” by Matthew Randazzo V. This book is what they are currently making a biopic about and I felt that not only was the research light, it was written to portray Vince McMahon and the pro wrestling business in a negative light.

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  • BIG M

    I know this is completely unrelated and I’m harping on this subject but I would like to post one last thing about CM Punk.

    OK we have all argued and debated and made ourselves look like complete idiots in regard of this CM Punk situation (and yes I’m including myself in acting like idiot category).
    So now I’m going to try and make my own final conclusion based on what I have read online and observed on WWE programming.

    1. Punk is working hurt.
    For months now we’ve been hearing he has been dealing with issues from bad knees to sore ribs those types of nagging injuries will put anyone in a fowl mood and could bring on more serious problems down the track for any athlete if not given time to heal.

    2. Punk hasn’t been involved in a main event angle in over a year.

    Now while I think WWE did the right thing after such a long title rein in keeping Punk out of the title hunt and giving him some much needed time off after Wrestlemania 29 after his return he was given guys like Ryback and Curtis Axel to work with in the inventible Hymen split storyline While Daniel Bryan was given a Pseudo tile push and long running storyline against Randy Orton and the duo we know as the authority.

    while I was exited to see DB given the limelight (even if WWE wasn’t serious about it) The whole time I was secretly thinking “you now this would have been a great angle for Punk” the “Best in the World” rebel persona he has cultivated amongst all wrestling fans (not just the internet ones) might have peeked more interest and resulted in the higher ratings and PPV buys WWE are usually desperate for post Sumerslam.

    3. Punk has never been Triple H”s favourite “superstar”.
    OK I know I’m going to cop some flak for this but The H man has always had a bad reputation as a backstage politician who did his best to keep a lot people he didn’t like personally lower on the card.

    When it became clear that Triple H and Stephanie were the hier a-parents to VKM people thought things would only get worse for up and coming talent but in his first year or two in a managerial position he has done a complete 180 and developed the new and improved developmental system for WWE.
    NXT and the WWE performance centre has already produced such promising talents such as Big E Langsten, The Shield and the soon to debut Emma which means Triple H in his new role must be now finally thinking about the future of the industry right.
    Well considering that Daniel Bryan has been fighting to get on the top of the card despite massive popularity and the reports of VKM solely handling the Punk situation even though Triple H is the head of talent relations and should at least be involved in trying to get Punk back is a sign to me that a leopard doesn’t change his spots at least not overnight.

    4. Punk has always been a difficult talent to manage.
    Punk in 1 single promo defined his career and it did because it wasn’t a scripted re hashed Cena speech about “Hustle Loyalty and Respect” it was WWE doing the unexpected giving a disgruntled, frustrated, misused, but bloody talented person with a huge chip on his shoulder a live mic and said you have five minutes till curtain say what you want let it all out.
    Debate this all you like but history was made that night and WWE came realize what they had been missing out on.
    WWE didn’t know what they had but Punk did and he rubbed it in there face happily.
    Happy ending right Wrong in time the buzz Punk and WWE created during and after the promo with the best story lines they could come up with and a huge title reign it seems Punk now wants more and really who can blame him and with his status as the no 2 guy in the company being taken back by someone who had it rightfully taken away from him in Orton and the rehashing of the long overdone Cena, Orton rivalry and unified title angle Punk has been as loud and uncompromising about his displeasure on how he has been booked to VKM and Triple H as ever.

    5. The walk out.
    Im not going to comment on what Punk is trying to accomplish by his recent actions if he is trying to accomplish anything at all but walking out while understandable is maybe not the right thing to do and If WWE has proven anything over the years is that no 1 man is bigger than the company WWE will continue without Punk.

    It will be a whole hell of a lot better with him than without him but it will continue.
    Now I’m sure people who may be reading this are probably thinking (apart from this is a bloody long post) either three things 1, Punk is in the right and WWE needs to treat him better 2. Punk is in the wrong and he needs to learn that WWE doesn’t revolve around him or any one Wrestler 3. This is all an elaborate work and Punk and WWE are brilliant.
    To those who are leaning towards 3. I think your giving them all to much credit besides they have done a walk out angle already remember.
    But to those leaning towards 1. or 2. in my opinion your both right there has been.
    Mistreatment on both sides and I think if there is any chance of Punk going back to work VKM, Triple H, Stephanie and Punk all need to work on there now possibly broken business relationship and develop a better understanding of what both sides want from each other and come to some sort of compromise that will hopefully make everyone (including us dumb fans) happy

    • Venom

      Man and I thought I write a lot…

      I do want to say I think it’s ironic that once Triple H took over a lot of duties we see lot of part time talents especially around WM. However, this is the same person who did big things for the developmental system for the future of the company. Get it? For the main roster he’s focussed on the older guys who are in it on a part time deal, yet he also focuses on the young talent on NXT. so this leaves the full time young main roster talents in limbo.

      I think CM Punk was working hurt, burnt out but I read he wanted to headline WM. with the YES movement they were going to change WM to Bryan vs Hunter and CM Punk vs Kane. While some felt he took his ball and went home, I think it was more like he didn’t need a WM payday that bad and a younger person on the roster could use it. Again the chants arnt so much fans wanting Punk back. It’s more that they support his decision and hopefully WWE can learn from their mistakes.

      I also think fans wanted Batista back. I did. He’s not even back part time he has a 2 year deal. Just nobody wanted him back in a title match at WM. And I’m not a hypocrite. I like Sheamus and Christian but they’ve been gone for so long I don’t think they deserve a title match or even a wrestlemania headline. I think a wrestler should be wrestling for 6 months at least and a nic winning streak to have a spot at the royal rumble and wrestlemania.

      • Ben

        Punk wanted to headline WM and clearly that wasn’t in the plans. From what I’ve read, Punk has done a really good job saving his money so it’s not like WWE can hold that over his head. The way he left is really lousy and obviously disappointing as a fan, but he has to look out for himself first.

        When Batista returned the crowd was dead silent and his reactions since then are either more silence or HUGE heat like at the Royal Rumble. Doesn’t seem like the fans wanted him back.

        • Venom

          I know that’s why I’m saying I think it got to a point where Punk felt he doesn’t need the WM payday and by him walking out someone else can take a spot on the card. To him it’s a WM headline or nothing.

        • Jbreed

          People have finally stopped buying into the WWE’s ideas of what’s best for business at WM. Sure it sounds intriguing to bring in those big names from the past but the fans finally looked at the big picture and realized it only hurts the product in the long term. If they would spend more time and effort into creating new WM headliners instead of just taking the easy way out by throwing in guys like The undertaker,Triple H, Brock Lesnar and whatever other guys main evented 10 and 15 years ago, than young talents like Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler and Cody Rhodes, to name a few, would be megastars right now.

          • Venom

            I agree. I liked wrestlemania in Phoenix when Shawn Michaels retired. The titles didn’t main event but career vs. streak on the line. At the same time we had Bret Hart as a celebrity guest for WM and he was in a middle if the show match against Vince. He didn’t take a title match from someone. He didn’t take a main event spot. It was just one person.

            Same with The Rock a year later. He was just a wrestlemania host.

            Now we got at least 3 part timers or or short term contracts all in wrestlemania headlines. It’s one of 2 things. The writers/creative screwed up or the current roster just plain sucks.

          • Jbreed

            I don’t think the current roster is the problem. It’s the creative team. I know looking at the roster from top to bottom, it’s full of guys with in-ring talent but those marketable guys don’t pop out at you. Dolph Ziggler, for example, isn’t gonna become a media icon just by going out there and showing off. Cody Rhodes isn’t gonna become the top merchandise seller just because he’s great in the ring. So there’s when you need a good competent creative team to take a guy, develop him into the right character and create him into a must see superstar. Who would have ever thought back in 1995-1996 when the WWE was in it’s worst shape, The Ringmaster would turn into the guy who would bring the company back from the dead? I’m sure out of a roster as long as it is now, there has to be somebody who with the right character enhancement can become the next Stone Cold Steve Austin or the next John Cena.

          • Venom

            Oh trust me I know it’s not the roster. I think for the past 5-10 years WWE had an amazing roster, they just only focussed on at least 5 people in the last decade. How many “5 star” matches did we get in the attitude era? We had great storylines and good matches during the Monday night wars. Now we have better wrestling (and even John Cena was in great matches) but the product is dull.

    • sheamusfan

      I agree with the second idea.Punk needs to stop complaining. Even if he was not involved in the title picture,he had top level feuds with taker,lesnar ,shield and Jericho.Also he only jobbed to lesnar and there is no shame in jobbing to taker.Remember Orton jobbed to Ziggler and Henry at survivor series and smackdown respectively.He didn’t complain for 2-3 years.He deserves his run as champion and should main eventWM30.

    • Kris Mystery

      Normally i avoid the long comments as 99% of the time it is complete drivel. Not so in this case and i’m glad i read it. I agree totally with everything you said here and even if i didn’t i say well done Big M….. Well done!!

      • BIG M

        Thanks Mate.
        Appreciate it.

    • Xavier

      Good read bro

      • BIG M

        Thanks.

    • JeanAE

      I can’t help but notice you mentioned “hymen split”…

      • BIG M

        My own stupid bloody fault for turning spell check off.

  • NYYANKEES

    Sucks for Sheamus. But I assume they can bring someone outside for him (like RVD) or put him with Kane.

    • sheamusfan

      Sheamus vs rvd vs Cristian vs big e for the ic title at WM30 could be the perfect match for restoring credibility to the ic title.

      • David C

        It’s all very well having a match to rebuild a titles prestige, but i feel that it’s the booking of the title after the matches that make it a worthwhile item.

        Look at a guy like Ambrose and the US title for example. He’s the longest reigning champion on the roster currently, as far as i’m aware, yet it means very little. Not because he is the issue, it is simply because nobody ever issues a challenge for that title, not a single talent discussed any desire to hold it and the Belt hasn’t even been defended in 3 months.

        It seems as if the only person who could come back, and would likely also, just to help build up the reputation and prestige of a title like those mentioned above is Chris Jericho.

        • Bob’s Diner

          Pretty sure Ambrose has lost more non-title matches than he’s had successful defenses as well. I don’t understand why they have so many non-title matches where the champ loses – it really helps to make the titles look pointless

  • Nostaljack

    Damien Sandow has really gotten shafted. If anyone would have a right to be upset with his trajectory, it’d be him. Yet, we never hear him complaining on Twitter, never hear him do some ill-advised shooting in interviews, never hear a peep. He just does what he’s asked. This is where he differs so completely from Ziggly-puffs. Dolph’s mouth has gotten him in more trouble than I thought was even possible. How he thinks openly complaining will raise his stock, I will never understand. ‘Course, both Sandow and Dolph are in roughly the same position so maybe being overly quiet doesn’t work either. I will say I respect Sandow’s approach far more even though I’m a Ziggly-puff fan all day.

    • Avalanchian

      I think Sandow’s downfall is that he isn’t really someone that can push merchandise.

      • Jbreed

        I’m not the biggest Sandow fan because of his lame gimmick, but the guy does have all the in ring talent in the world. Unfortunately, busting your ass from day one to be the best wrestler you can doesn’t get you far these days if you’re not capable of selling a freakin’ t shirt.

      • http://twitter.com/slotchmusic ms_spittuh

        I see more Sandow shirts out here than anything. I’ve seen one Cena shirt on an old Mexican guy because his son bought it; he said he wears it as a work shirt and nothing more. You’d be surprised. Hell my mama is 65 and she beat me to a Sandow shirt. Trust me he can push. He’s had a following since his debut on Sunday Night Heat and it increased in the underground scene from OVW to Puerto Rican wrestling where he went after WWE released him years ago. Don’t let WWE fool you.

    • http://twitter.com/slotchmusic ms_spittuh

      If things didn’t work out for Sandow he can always go back to the Caribbean where he used to wrestle. His underground following was pretty huge.

  • JR Texx (Jamie)

    Brock Lesnar V Undertaker is a thing again now?

    • sheamusfan

      It should be Bryan vs taker
      and Lesnar vs Roman/ryback/big e
      and hhh vs cena for control of wwe with cena being vkms man

      • JR Texx (Jamie)

        Noooo it shouldn’t.

      • opie

        Yeah, you’ve said that before, and it was just as silly then. The whole “for control of . . . ” stipulation has been done to death. It’s been overdone even by TNA standards — that’s how bad it is.

  • Nostaljack

    TNA building around MVP? Why? MVP was a mid-card guy in WWE who’s been off TV for four years. He’s absolutely ice cold. While I liked his work, I only “liked” it; I didn’t “love” it. He was never a big deal there. TNA has been full of absolutely ridiculous ideas lately and this is right up their with ‘em. Add the fact that they intend to “build around” a 40-year old man and it just gets even sillier.

    • BIG M

      I agree building a company on an older guy might be silly but I think your being a little unfair to MVP.
      Personally I think he has done his best work outside WWE.
      He tore up New Japan Pro Wrestling and was the first holder of there Intercontinental title and since leaving he has done some solid work on the indy circuit.
      He had a great match with Sami Callahan now NXT’s Solomon Crowe in Tommy Dreamers House of Hardcore promotion.
      My point is discount the company not the talent they hire.

      • Nostaljack

        I see your point about his success elsewhere and the fact that he can work a very good match. There’s proof of that all over YouTube that can’t be denied. Of course his “Lord Of War” stuff is there too so it’s not all stellar. I still, say, though, that when placed on a big stage, he wasn’t a “main event” guy. If TNA is to build around someone, they need to do so around a real genuine marquee player. MVP doesn’t fit that bill in any way, however good he is in the ring.

  • sheamusfan

    I think it’s a new gimmick for the miz. He will probably feud with Barrett till WM30 and extend his streak to 6-0

    • Bob’s Diner

      Wrestling on the preshow doesn’t count

  • Ken

    CM Punk walking out, part-timers headlining WrestleMania while the more talented, more deserving young guns are taking a back seat to them… in the immortal words of Gorilla Monsoon “What a miscarriage of justice!”

  • Jbreed

    People were convinced even though Damien Sandow failed to cash in, he was still put over by John Cena. One genius even said I was clueless for saying the loss basically buried Sandow’s chances for any kind of push. Well, who knows if this genius enjoyed the Good Santa/Bad Santa segments on the Christmas edition of Raw.

    • http://twitter.com/slotchmusic ms_spittuh

      I didn’t but I will always support Sandow. Boy can really throw down.

  • monty

    what i don’t get is how some of you keep bringing up the 434 days as champ. ok well why did he only main event 3 shows than? why did he play 2nd to Cena? why didn’t he main event WM?

    why has he been in bad story lines? seriously someone who is as big as PUnk(as superstar) you put him against ryback and curtix axle? and than you wonder why he left?

    Richard i respect you but others its do much better job of this lately than you. Wasn’t it punk who said DB should win the RR and not Batista? wasn’t it Punk who said DB should main event WM because he earned it?

    Punk leaving isn’t about Punk, its about guys who work all year around only to get left behind by part timers, its one thing to be left behind for Rock or even sting but Batista really? even when he was a legit star he wasn’t that big

    fans are fed up with wwe
    fans are fed up with vince
    fans are fed up with this on and off pushes for DB,ziggler etc,

    it use to be you work hard all year than as a reward work WM, but now its like you work 11 months but when it comes time for the biggest show let’s get outside part timers

    Xavier:

    I expect better from you man, you are a very knowledgeable fan but to see you have bought into this punk left on his own terns is truly disheartening. Don’t look at Punk as he left on his own terms but look at it as why did he see it as a last option just to walk out.

    people thought and richard though that HHH would be better after Vince to run wwe but now i don’t see it. He has a huge ego and will only push his buddies. Look at orton/batista

    • Venom

      It’s funny cause as I was reading your post I was thinking “don’t upset Xavier as he’s a huge Cena fan and calls out any anti Cena but also calls out pro Punk/Bryan. It’s good that he’s knowledgeable about the industry and not just a mark. I never agree with his proof Cena puts people over especially with you pointing out Punk only main evented 3 shows during the 434 reign. that was a joke.

      Apart of me only agrees that Rock vs. Cena 1 should have been the main event but only because the match was announced 1 year before and was built for a year. The rest of the Cena main eventing while Punk was champion was pathetic.

      • Xavier

        Yawn *stretches and goes back to sleep*

    • Xavier

      It’s funny you Punk fans keep saying Punk walked out b/c he’s standing up for others who deserve a push. But I can’t recall one time Punk has put over Bryan, Ziggler, Cesaro etc etc. how come Punk just didn’t put Bryan over himself in 2012 for the title when they feuded then? Or Ziggler? Sorry bro, not buying this Punk is taking a stand for others BS that you guys are trying to twist this into. As a matter of fact, when Miz had his run at the top Punk seemed rather envious of that and even buried Miz in his DVD. That doesn’t seem like he was taking a stand at all for any of the boys in the back now did it?

      • JR Texx (Jamie)

        The way I’ve read it so far is that Punk walked because he didn’t like the direction of HIS character, no body elses, he got offered a match against HHH and didn’t like it because it wasn’t good enough for him.

        Sorry but to me, it all sounds like it’s all Punk, Punk and more Punk and nobody else.

        & to be honest, I’m kind of fed up about hearing about Punk. I would actually like to hear about some of the other superstars.

        • Xavier

          No No No, you got it all wrong, it’s all Cena’a fault. Cena the head of WWE creative has been purposely holding CM Punk down for all these years and CM Punk has finally had enough of it. As a matter of fact Bryan, Ziggler & Cesaro’s pushes are all because Cena as well. He’s holding them down to. Lets not forget about Global Warming, the problems in the Middle East, glitches to the Obamacaee website, the Nationsl Debt etc etc, it can all be traced back to Cena. It’s his fault.

          • JR Texx (Jamie)

            Damn that Cena.. guess we could never see him. It’s a conspiracy!

            Wow now I’m quoting R-Truth.

          • Xavier

            Lol

      • Venom

        Once again was Punk really in a position to put anyone over? Yes he buried Miz and think it was unprofessional but according to him he felt he was over then Miz which I disagree. I think Miz was on a role same as John Morrison but then Sheamus came from NXT and was given a push til he started getting humbled for a bit then Miz got the nod.

        You never seem to like to answer the idea that Cena was always closing the show while Punk who was wwe champ wasn’t. In fact the majority if the world title matches were opening the shows on ppv.

        Now i think most (at least me) think this whole Cena not Cenas fault. It’s just management decision that he closes the show he always wins at the expense of others like Damien Sandow.

        Why Punk didn’t put Bryan over? Gee I think he had the title for a few months and they wanted him to have a long reign so he can lose it to Rock? Again Punk really started closing the show when he turned heel and faced Cena or when Cena was injured. Anyone can be champion for a year or 2 doesn’t mean it’s the greatest reign. Look how long Dean Ambrose is US champion but his reign is a joke. Same with Langstons.

        The only thing I’ve criticised Cena on Is when he plays the crowd but we’ve touched in that to death.

        Anything his character does is really me criticizing the booking.

        • Xavier

          I’ve answered your questions many times before and have presented facts to counter your arguments on many occasions and it seems to just go right over your head. Just go back to our back & forth convos from a week ago. I addressed everything you asked me. As a matter of fact just check my comment history regarding Cena, I’ve addressed many people on here who claim Cena buries people. At this point it’s really not worth getting into anymore. You have your opinions on Cena and I have mine. The fact that you keep bringing Cena’s name up regarding Punk walking out is beyond me because not in any of these CM Punk reports has Cena’s name ever been mentioned (not once) so why you feel the need to bring up a guy who has nothing to do with Punk walking out is beyond me.

          • Venom

            Yeah because your claims were really valid. The only time I brought Cenas name in the Punk situation is when I talk about Punks 434 days as champion and how many times Punk actually main evented a show. Other then my anti Cena comments concern today’s product how it’s stale. Like when Cena had his arm destroyed yet cleanly beat Sandow. Again not Cena doing that it’s just management being stupid.

          • Xavier

            Again though what does that have too do with Punk walking out in 2014?

            CM Punk himself has said that he considers Cena a friend, he’s said himself that he enjoys working with Cena and even went as far as saying that Cena is one of his all-time favorite people to work with in the ring. Punk put Cena pver verbally at a house show overseas praising that man for his work ethic and for always showing up even when he’s sick, hurt or dealing with personal issues, I even sent you link to it to see for yourself. Cena jobbed to Punk on numerous occasions in 2011/2012 before finally beating him in 2013. If Punk himself has no issues/beef with Cena then why do so many of Punk’s fans do? Oh and to answer your question the reason why Cena continued to headline over Punk for a makority of 2012 is because he was still considered the face of the company, he still was their top draw (house show numbers & RAW segment numbers prove that). Austin headlined PPVs over guys like Rock & Foley even when they were champ during the Attitude Era because he was still “Top Guy/Face Of The Company”. That’s how Vince has always booked his shows rather it be Hogan, Austin or Cena. Whoever Vince sees as the face of the company is the guy who’s gonna close the show a good majority of the time. But last I checked Punk still got just as much TV time as Cena and still had matches that went just as long as Cena’s in 2012.

            So please tell me how any of what I just said is invalid?

          • JR Texx (Jamie)

            I think majority if not all guys in the WWE respect the hell out of Cena for what he does inside and outside the business.

          • Venom

            I think this is the first time you actually answered why Cena was main eventing while Punk was champion. But when I bring that up it has absolutely nothing to do with Punk walking out. I only bring it up when discussing how I didn’t think he had a successful title reign. I don’t remember Austin main eventing when he wasn’t the champ though. I have to look into that. Austin was never booked as unstoppable though. Cena has.

          • Xavier

            Austin was booked stronger then Cena. Me & Cubed56 had this discussion several months back. Cena has lost more matches clean as “the face of the company” then Bruno, Backlund, Hogan & Austin did combined when they were “the face of the company”.

          • Venom

            Can you tell me when Cena lost clean and at the same time if he lost clean he didn’t lose and not act like he respect the performer like he’s his biggest fan and gave him and oppurtunity?

            Bryan got his summerslam match because Cena picked him out of the roster because he’s a his supporter who gave him an oppurtunity of a lifetime. Then after he lost he had to do his little farewell speech and let Bryan go out and have his moment like ” like here kid have your moment”.

            And while I’m at it when Cena chose to face Bryan what bugged me about that segment was when Del Rio who was WHC was amongst the roster that want an oppurtunity at the WWE champion. Way to crap on the WHC.

            Again this isn’t John Cena the person I’m objecting to. The wrestler himself I respect for his charity work, media appearances doesn’t like cancelling his appearance. This is WWE being stupid. I was one of the people who was happy when Cena won the WHC because I thought maybe he can add credibility to tht championship again. Maybe he can when the IC championship or US championship and give it meaning again. I hated when guys like Orton or Cena or anyone feuding and beating the secondary champions when they’re not holding a title and not care to win it.

          • JR Texx (Jamie)

            *cough* Daniel Bryan

          • Venomv

            I dunno why the 2 of you mentioned Daniel Bryan because I clearly said if he lost clean he still he still doesn’t lose with dignity I that he still has to congratulate Bryan as if he believed in him all along. I did write that, right?

          • JR Texx (Jamie)

            So you want us to say one superstar that he’s put over and that he’s not a fan of?

            What a stupid question. Of course he’s only going to put people over he’s a fan of.. that’s like the WWE putting someone over at the Royal Rumble we’re not a fan of.

            Basically someone he doesn’t like even though he puts over talented people…

            Oh wait. They did!

          • Xavier

            Cena lost to The Great Khali clean in a episode of SNME. He lost to Orton clean twice at HIAC 09 & this past TLC. He lost to Sheamus at TLC 09 clean for the title. He lost clean to Bryan for the title at Summerslam this past year. He lost clean to Big Show on a RAW a few weeks before WM25. He also lost clean in straight PPVs in 08 to Triple H (NOC 08), JBL (GAB 08) & Batista (Summerslam 08), when have Hogan or Austin lost 3 straight PPVs clean? Cena also lost clean too HBK on an episode of RAW in 07 in that iron man match and he lost to Triple H clean on a episode of RAW a week before Bragging Rights. And if I’m not mistaken he lost clean to Lord Tensai on a episode of RAW in 2012 I believe. He also lost to Rock clean at WM28.

            When did Cena crap on the WHC? I don’t understand your beef with the way Cena put Bryan over, he jobbed clean then after the match shook his hand. Then the next night on RAW he came out and explained to his fans why he had to go away for a little while then put Bryan over verbally handed him the mic and left so Bryan could have the spotlight. What about that do you find wrong?

          • Venom

            Now I’m not gonna double check your claims I’ll use blind faith and believe you. Notice the names you mentioned were already over to begin with. They beat him clean and hes beaten them clean. They’re not exactly guys that could have used a push. Like seriously Triple H?

            I didn’t say Cena crapped on the WHC. I said WWE crapped on it. Having Del Rio amongst the roster holding the WHC championship hoping for a WWE title shot at summerslam made the WHC less of a championship. It’s like when they had the ECW brand and the ECW champion entered the royal rumble.

            Now I didn’t even remember Cena shaking hands with Bryan after summerslam but thank you for reminding me that. I just find it annoying that he couldn’t lose with grace like every wrestler that loses a match clean and lose the title. You roll out of the ring and head to the back and let the winner have his moment. They and they pont out that he went into the match injured (and I know it was well documented with us IWC) made it sound like that was the only reason Bryan won.

            Like I said, and I don’t think you’ll get it. I’m not saying Cena does these things on his own. It’s his character that I can’t stand. He acts like he’s giving the fans what they want and supports Punk and does the Yes chants but he looks like a good cause the people that chant for Punk and Bryan are the people that are sick of him.

            The only thing I’ve criticised Cena on and I know you’ve disagreed with me is when I feel he improvises things fans are chanting the other wrestlers on like doing the Fandango dance when fans were fandangoing and the other stuff.

        • JR Texx (Jamie)

          Can you at least say one person who John Cena has buried?

          • Venom

            Now remember, I’m talking about the way his character is portrayed. I don’t know what John Cena the person does to management but off the top of my head…

            During Punks reign Cena was still the focus and headlined shows even when he wasn’t I the title picture (him vs Laurenitis at over the limit I believe)

            When he came back from injury and was feuding with Del Rio he has to bury him in arm wrestling and wasn’t even competitive like beat him twice in 2 seconds to make Del Rio look like a joke of a champion.

            I’ve already covered Damien Sandow.

            I also hate the fact the Cena character never loses with any dignity. Like when he faced Punk at MITB he had to act lime this hero who stopped McMahon/Laurenitis from ringing the bell and only loses when he’s distracted. And if he loses to someone like Bryan or anyone clean he has to still be a “good sport” and that he gave the underdog an oppurtunity.

            I was a Cena fan when he started the rap gimmick and feuding with JBL. But after a few years you just get sick of it. It’s almost like every champion since Cena holding the title feels like a lifetime achievement award cuz u know hell get it back soon.

            Also I’ve watched Total Divas and he does come across like a jerk and only cares about himself. I’m surprised WWE even allows him on the show. The poster boy for a company that now caters to children and families never wants to get married or wants kids. It’s his personal choice and I know from experience reality shows are scripted. But it adds to why I find his character annoying.

          • JR Texx (Jamie)

            He gets put over to send his fans happy.. there is a message in what Cena does when he comes back he goes over someone.. it’s not exactly burying is it?

          • Venomv

            He coud still beat Del Rio in arm wrestling for example but like he beat him in a second twice. You don’t think that’s burying? He was going to beat him and win the WHC at the ppv anyways.

            And Sandow destroyed his arm kept beating on him. cena could have lost and not look weak. They could have built Sandow for taking advantage of Cena and the lose to Cena at survivor series and rematch on RAW and still unify at TLC.

            While its not great to be a short term champion at least people can take hima little seriously.

            Again this isn’t like Cena goes to management and demands to do this. It’s just poor wwe management in building new stars which is why they rely in part timers.

      • opie

        Agreed. We’re talking about the same guy who beat the entire Shield in a 3-on-1 handicap match. I’m not sure who thought booking that outcome was viable, but I have to think that Punk pushed for it. This guy has clearly bought into his own hype about being BITW. It blows my mind how much some people worship Punk and complain about Cena (you know, the guy who pushed for WWE to rehire Bryan, talks him up, put him over at Summerslam, etc.). People are goofy.

        • Xavier

          I didn’t Cena lobbied to get him brought back. Do you have a link to that story by any chance?

      • monty

        i don’t know why you don’t recall but punk actually tried to get Ziggler his push. now doubt every wrestler wants their own share and they all have their egos but let’s not twist it in any way. Its not like Vince/HHH or wwe have shown confidence in anyone other than the has been’s who have all held titles multiple times

        they don’t have a problem giving delrio long title reigns yet wrestlers like christian,ziggler,bryan etc, can’t get their push or chance to shine

        everyone is pushing for Cesaro too but guess what he will stay in mid card because vince doesn’t see him as the big money guy. You know what’s truly sad is wwe is about to become so big they don’t have to care for fans.

        also xavier i am not a punk fan, you should know that by all my comments. but as someone who has grown up watching wrestling its becoming quite stale how wwe is being run

        i hope one day shane comes back and takes over wwe because he has that IT as a promoter to run wwe

    • JR Texx (Jamie)

      “Punk leaving isn’t about Punk”

      Ya it pretty much is. He left because the direction of his character and his character alone. It wasn’t anything to do with part timers, Punk said him self he’s okay with it. But it is probably still bugging him. But that’s not the reason he left, please don’t confuse the two.

      What you say was never mentioned.

      So far I’ve read it’s because of his character direction and his health. Nothing else.

  • David F.

    WWE needs to make it Bryan v Batista v Orton for the title if not and its just Orton v Batista expect to get same negative reaction as the royal rumble, Hopefully WWE does right thing and give the fans what they want and that is Bryan winning the title at Mania!

    • John

      To be honest i would rather they just stuck with Batista vs. Orton at WrestleMania. They have a history and it will get a decent build. Triple H vs. Daniel Bryan is what makes the most sense.

  • opie

    This Punk debate has already gotten stale. I like Punk. I like his work and his character, but I think he’s been phoning it in on the mic and that his ring-work has been lackluster as of late. People can say that he’s been working hurt. That’s fine. What about Cena? That guy has worked hurt. He’s come back early from numerous injuries and surgeries to do the job he is passionate about doing. Has anyone ever seen him phone it in, whether in the ring or on the mic? No.

    People can say that Punk is upset about the direction of his character. That’s fine. What about Ziggler? There were times last year when that guy and Bryan were the only two wrestling on every single show, every single week. He puts in a ton of hours in the ring, even on Main Event or Saturday Morning Slam (when that was a thing). What does he get for it? A title reign that was ended because of an unfortunate injury (“Classic Swags”), and no sign of another main event push in sight. Do you see him walking out? Have you seen him phoning it in because he’s upset with the direction of his character? No.

    I’m not going to get into anymore arguments about anyone putting people over because it’s all conjecture, but I can tell you that Punk didn’t do any of this for anyone but himself. I can tell you that Cena pushed for WWE to rehire Bryan when he got fired during the Nexus angle, and I can regurgitate the rumor that the reason Punk walked was that Bryan was getting “Punk’s match” against Triple H at Wrestlemania (which makes more sense anyway). The fact remains that there are countless guys who would kill for Punk’s spot, and I hope the Cesaros, Zigglers, and Sandows of the world get their rightful piece of it.

    I have to wonder exactly what Punk hopes to achieve in all this. What exactly is it that he wants? Does he think he deserves to be the top guy? The face of the company? Does he think he deserves Cena’s spot? The IWC can hate on Cena all they want, but I put forth that anybody who thinks he deserves Cena’s spot needs to put in the hours, sit down for the interviews, make the appearances, show up to all the charity events, be followed around for the reality shows, push the products, star in the crappy movies, soak up the boos from the jaded fans, work hurt without missing a beat — even when he comes back from elbow surgery or neck surgery months before he’s supposed to — all to further his brand and promote his company, and he does all of that without complaining about his job or ever phoning it in. You want to be the guy? Do that. Do all of that and draw crowds. For a decade.

    A lot of you seem like you feel betrayed by WWE over this, but Punk’s the one who betrayed you.

  • ryan25

    CM Punk is an asset to the E but im sorry, all this BS with him walking out has almost completely killed the momentum bryan was creating for wrestlemania, his selfishness has taken away from the rise of another truly great indie wrestler and supposedly good friend of punks. He would have been back in the title picture within a few months and in a decent level match for WM had he just put his head down and deal with the politics. He is a selfish and sad little man for doing this and i dont care if he comes back or not, i want bryan and i surely cant be the only one who would prefer to see bryan take his spot and be done with this premaddona jackass that is phill brooks