WWE Doing Away With Babyfaces & Heels? - Responding To A Recent Online Report

There is currently a report going around being attributed to Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter that Vince McMahon said in a recent creative meeting there were no longer heels and babyfaces because no one is completely bad or completely good in real-life. While I have no idea what Meltzer actually wrote or if Vince did or did not say this, the idea is nothing new.

The belief within WWE is characters are more complex today than they have been in years past. Just take a look at how Daniel Bryan answered the question in a recent Q&A with Grantland.com:

If you look back at the history of the top stars in the WWE, Hulk Hogan was a hero and "Stone Cold" Steve Austin was an antihero. What kind of hero is Daniel Bryan?

Wrestling's so much more complex than that now, but if I had to describe myself in those terms, I'd say I'm a reluctant hero. If it were up to me, I'd be happy just to go out and do my job. My passion is the wrestling. I never pictured myself in the role I'm in now, but that's the position I've been put in.

Bryan answered the question with the exact philosophy that's in WWE, which isn't a new revelation.

  • Venom

    I guess it explains why The Miz has only had issues with Kofi Kingston yet last week he defended Santa against ryback and Curtis Axel.

  • JR Texx (Jamie)

    I thought this a while back, because people cheer for who ever they want to more now whether they are babyface or heel.

  • Dustyn

    I kind of like this idea. The Miz is a great example of this. Curious to see how/if this progresses.

  • John

    Hey Richard have you heard anything about the rumors surrounding Brock Lesnar? Apparently he will be at UFC 168 at the weekend and wants to return to MMA.

    • Mysterion

      Ask WNW. It’s an option right at the top there

  • Xavier

    There will always be babyfaces and there will always be heels. Wrestling has been booked that way since way before the WWE hit the scene in 1963.

    • Nick K

      Agreed, while the terms may not be “official” anymore. The characters will always lean one way or the other.

  • The Breaker

    So does this explain why Triple H has been playing babyface in one segment and later on in the show reverts to heel?

    • JR Texx (Jamie)

      Na I think that he is just a gimmick heel that wants to whats best for business

    • Gary Robert

      I don’t think HHH is a heel or face. He simply plays the part of the authority and does what an authority figure should do regardless if its liked or not by the audience. Sometimes he does things that the audience cheers, other times not.

      • The Breaker

        Basically. But Triple H plays best as a heel, especially in this Authority role. No one wants to cheer him after what he did to Bryan, but he hasn’t been despicable enough to get that many people to want to boo him. So as a result he’s stuck with a light, mixed reaction. Not good for a guy that dominates the show as much as he does!

  • Christen

    figured it was Dave Meltzer never believe anything he says. The terms may not be used but they are not gone. The crowd cheers for those they like and boo those they don’t. So basically faces are cheered heels are bood.

    • opie

      What about Cena?

    • opie

      What about Cena?

  • opie

    Dude, all the top guys in the attitude era were tweeners. They were all cheered. They were all booed. It just depended on who they were feuding with. If you were feuding with Austin, you were getting a few more boos. If you were feuding with McMahon, you were getting a few more cheers. They were all chasing that one title. That was the basis for the big feuds. That’s exactly why I’ve always hated two world titles. When they’re all battling to be the one true king of the mountain, heel and face don’t matter anymore.

    • BlazeKing

      In my opinion, WWE could have kept both titles and profited off it PPV style.
      WWE Champion of Champions. If the “face” of the WWE is the Champion, the Champ can’t seriously hold the title for years on end to forever be the “face” storyline wise.

      The whole “face of the wwe” angle isn’t even great for the long term itself. With the PPV route, it becomes an evolved “King of the Ring” concept to have two main titles. Pro sports also have a similar structure. Two main divisions, possibility for different league champions every year. I don’t know about you, but I love seeing two champions going head to head to see who’s the better man.

      WWE pulled the plug on the titles which to me, was a bad idea like killing the Sin Cara Azul/Negro angle off months (if not years) too early. They had so much potential to expand the idea and make it better but because of investors, corporate always wants to play it safe. If you liked the Attitude era, you liked it because shareholders didn’t exist for WWF back then and there was no outside influence.

  • dektpunx

    I think cm punk is a perfect example of this…he never really changes what he says or how he acts…he is pretty much cheered or booed depending on who he is feuding with…he is still arrogant,still aggressive,still smug…. I mean take the things he was saying to paul heyman as a babyface in their recent feud…I would say they were more heelish than the things he was saying as a heel in his last john cena feud…cena is another one based who I would say whether they are heel or face depends on who he is feuding with…..

    • JR Texx (Jamie)

      I’m pretty sure CM Punk has changed from Babyface to heel and vice versa more times than anyone in the past few years.

  • Cezar

    Stupid idea.

    • JR Texx (Jamie)

      I don’t see how it is a stupid idea, things have changed, people cheer for who they want to whether they are a babyface or a heel, now obviously, the babyface and heel thing will always be there, I guess they’re just changing it up slightly.

      • Cezar

        Some people have always cheered the bad guys.
        Trying to do away with good and bad is a stupid idea.