WWE Moves On From CM Punk, Jabs At NBCU During Raw, Creating Another ‘Streak,’ WWE App & Network

With it looking like WWE is finally doing the right thing with the WWE World Heavyweight Championship match at Wrestlemania XXX and Bryan facing Triple H, where does that leave CM Punk if he chooses to come back?

With WWE announcing Daniel Bryan vs. Triple H for Wrestlemania 30 and the fact Bryan will be inserted in the WWE World Heavyweight Championship match if he goes over, CM Punk is officially out of the plans. As we reported here on WrestlingNewsWorld.com, Vince McMahon pitched the title match to CM Punk as a last ditch effort to get him back for Raw in Chicago. The plan to add Daniel Bryan was brought up if Punk didn’t agree, as we first reported there was serious discussion about Bryan pulling double duty here on WrestlingNewsWorld.com on March 3, 2014. The new plan for CM Punk following Vince McMahon’s hail marry, is to give him some time and see if he gets the itch to return on his own. If not, Punk’s career could be over.

I couldn’t help but think some of the lines that JBL, Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler had during the main event of Raw were little jabs at the TV negotiations. Saying things like, “USA should be ecstatic for the excitement Daniel Bryan is bringing to Raw” or “Raw has been on USA for years, and Occupy Raw was just another great moment”. The way I saw it, it seemed like Vince was trying to sell it as USA should be thankful for having Raw. Is that the case?

I noticed the USA Network references as well and my first thought was it sounded odd to hear them say USA Network after so many WWE Network mentions. This is a good point and could very well be the case, however, I cannot confirm as of this writing. Vince McMahon talks to the commentators in their headsets so he can steer the comments and conversations. As I mentioned on social media over the weekend, I do not believe WWE’s domestic television negotiations have gone according to plan. WWE thought there were going to be a lot of suitors lined up but I heard it was basically a two-horse race between Viacom and NBCUniversal. Viacom was then considering pulling out, in favor of re-signing TNA Impact and bringing along other pro wrestling content. WWE wants more money than what NBCUniversal is offering, so perhaps those were little shots to indicate their content’s value. The main goal of WWE’s domestic TV negotiations is to drastically raise the amount they make annually in television licensing fees.

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With the Undertaker’s career nearing an end, do you see WWE creating a new streak with a new wrestler, or something similar?

What WWE has done with The Undertaker will likely never be duplicated. In Paul Heyman’s promo on Monday Night Raw, he really put the streak in perspective by highlighting just how few workers have won consecutive Wrestlemania matches, let alone 21-0. I realize the outcomes are contrived but you have to realize, WWE can’t just pick a worker and say “we’re going to put this worker over 20+ times.” Undertaker’s lengthy shelf life as a top WWE star along with his phenomenal ability to continue to work at a high level is something very few people can do. There will never be another Undertaker and all wrestling fans should realize just how historic his run as been.

Why does WWE not use their App as much as they used too? Is it because of the WWE Network?

WWE very much still uses their App and actually have a complete staff backstage dedicated to it at TVs each week. The reason why they haven’t been plugging it like crazy in recent weeks is because they’ve been plugging the WWE Network. It’s one thing at a time for the company. One time it was Twitter they went crazy on, then the App, now the Network. They all build off one another but right now the company is focused on getting as many people as possible signed up for WWE Network.

From the Ask WNW vault…

May 2013: Was there any reason why Brock Lesnar, Goldberg and Steve Austin left WWE after Wrestlemania XX? - All three had different circumstances. Brock Lesnar hated the WWE travel schedule and wanted to pursue a career in the NFL. He requested his release to do this. WWE granted his release on the condition he would sign a non-compete agreement that would prevent him from working for a competing organization before June 2010. Lesnar signed it and was granted his release after his match at Wrestlemania XX against Goldberg. When the NFL didn’t pan out, Lesnar went to Japan to wrestle for New Japan Pro Wrestling. This resulted in a legal battle with WWE due to the non-compete but it was later dismissed after a settlement. Goldberg wasn’t happy in WWE either and wanted out. He fulfilled his contractual obligations and was “fed up” with backstage politics and the way the company operated. Goldberg didn’t get along with Vince McMahon and stated publicly both he and Lesnar were in a hurry to get out of dodge. Steve Austin’s contract with WWE was coming up and they were negotiating behind-the-scenes. I don’t have specifics as to what went wrong but they broke down a month after Wrestlemania XX and he let the company. Goldberg accused WWE of not putting the focus on the Wrestlemania XX bout (with Austin as the special referee) given their impending departures. The New York City crowd was “smartened up” to the fact that Goldberg and Lesnar were leaving and crapped on the match.

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  • Ken

    So, no match against Triple H, and also no WWE World Title match… Really, just what the hell IS good enough for CM Punk?! ‘Cause i’m drawing a blank here.

    • gta4801 .

      Replacing john cena or be a heel with equal status as john cena

      • Xavier

        That’ll never happen. If Punk is burned out now just imagine what he would feel after trying to take on Cena’s schedule.

        • J Vomkrieg

          Say what you will about Cena, the man has a work ethic unlike anyone else in the history of the business.

          • Xavier

            Agreed

          • Snap

            Hey, I won’t dispute that at all. However, just as people don’t have to like Punk, it doesn’t mean everybody has to worship the ground he walks on.

    • Bob’s Diner

      Ever think it isn’t about the matches? Because saying no to the title match at WrestleMania speaks volumes to me…

    • Cubed56

      To me this just proves nobody outside of Vince and Punk know the real story. If Punk was all about the money and being “the guy” he would’ve taking the main event match for the title at WM offered to him. For him to pass on it, tells me he really doesn’t care about that stuff and there was so much more to him leaving then just his own personal feelings about his character.

    • FactionZer0

      Actually, if he decided to take that match I would’ve been mad. If he did he’d be like the rock and everyone else just inserting themselves in the title match. Plus it would be a rushed return. He’s knows he’s good at what he does and he knows he’s valuable.

    • Jbreed

      Vince McMahon still refused to give him his own ice cream bar.

    • Robert Olley

      I agree punk said main eventing wrestlemania was his last goal. He got offered it by vince and refused it. The story is he was making the money cena etc are making and didnt like it and people saying we dont know the really story are being delusional. You dont leave your job when offered a massive bonus. Dont say he was putting his body on the line im a psychiatric nurse i put my life on the line.

      • Jbreed

        CM Punk probably isn’t an idiot. Even if he’s given a main event match at WM, his real goal is to be the number 1 guy in the company. And he knows as long as John Cena is around it’s not happening.

        • Bob’s Diner

          Same reason I believe Shawn Michaels really left in 1998 – he realised he was never going to be able to compete with Austin for that top spot

          • Xavier

            Michaels left in 98 because he had a broken back.

          • Snap

            Prior to that, however, in 97 Michaels left before WrestleMania because he “lost his smile” and returned shortly afterwards when he wouldn’t have to be in the position of putting anybody over. That’s not a knock on HBK now, as it has been made clear that he had a VERY different attitude during those years.

            The thing is, how do we know he (or anybody OTHER than Cena) aren’t doing make a wish and media appearances? WWE does everything they can to shove what Cena does down our throats but remains silent about most of the other top guys. They make it incredibly easy to say “Cena does this and Cena does that” but if The Miz makes an appearance, WWE doesn’t have that info in your face at every given opportunity and wasn’t Miz once the workhorse where media appearance are concerned?

            So, I think if Punk really wanted it, he’d be able to do the promotional schedule just as well as Cena. He probably wouldn’t be the same company “yes” man, but Punk has done stuff like Comic Con, which I am not sure Cena has done.

          • Xavier

            It’s quite simple. Cena has granted more wishes for Make A Wish then any other individual ever! Punk has granted maybe 10 wishes maybe? Oh and what does Punk quitting on everyone have to do with Cena anyway? Not a damn thing actually so you can continue too use Cena has a scapegoat all you want but it doesn’t change the fact that Punk walked out on Vince, his friends & his fans

          • Snap

            Did I ever say otherwise? Seriously, where have I tried to say Punk DIDN’T walk out on WWE of his own volition or that I am making excuses for him? As for Cena, you yourself said “Punk couldn’t handle being in Cena’s spot” and I was just pointing out that we hardly EVER hear about what anybody does unless their name happens to be “John Cena.” I guess that’s a perk of being the guy a large (and vocal) portion of the audience hates, despite WWE being so desperate for him to be loved. So I decided to respond to two of your separate posts in the same message. GET OVER IT!

            Honestly, I really don’t care if Punk has granted 10 wishes or 500, nor do I care if Cena’s granted more than anybody else. Good for them, it doesn’t make a difference how I look at them, but even you cannot dispute that WWE will never let a single Cena accomplishment go untouted as it will be in your face in one (though most likely more) of their self-aggrandizing “DID YOU KNOW?” segments. So, of course people are going to think that Cena is the only person to do that much stuff. The last time it was really mentioned was when The Miz was WWE champion.

            So, yeah, good for Cena doing everything he does. I simply do not buy the bullshit that he’s the only one who could handle such a schedule. You Cena fans can bark like trained seals about how he’s WWE’s “top draw” like it’s not an accepted fact, but it doesn’t change the fact that Cena (or Punk, or Ziggler, or HBK, etc.) is only as good as the opponent he faces in the ring and without them, he’s nothing (and that goes the same for Punk/Ziggler/HBK/etc. but I know you’ll find some way to twist it into anti-Cena rhetoric),

          • Xavier

            Nobody has ever said that Cena is the only one doing stuff, the WWE acknowledge’s such facts all the time, they show many other wrestlers visiting troops overseas all the time and many others giving interviews for the anti-bullying campaign. As a matter of fact I remember the WWE highlighting Alicia Fox & Natayla going overseas to Africa to do charity work. Same goes for Sheamus visiting inner city schools to speak to children. So please just stop with the “WWE only acknowledges Cena BS” it’s beyond old at this point, Cena is the top guy so YOU NEED TO GET OVER IT or move on & watch that crappy wrestling promotion down in Florida. And yeah Cena is so hated by everyone but how do you explain his merch sales or the fact that he has just about more tweeter or facebook followers then just about every other wrestler on the planet right now? The people who Hate Cena so much are people like you who can’t seem to let go of the Attitude Era which ended about a decade and a half ago. It’s time to let that ish go man

            Oh and you don;t have too buy the argument because I’m not trying to sell you on anything, just pointing out facts. Punk had to take two months off last spring, for what exactly? Because he was and I quote “burned out”. Then here we are again not even a month later and he walks out. Prior to all that Punk was on tweeter complaining to fans that he was SICK OF TRAVELING. That doesn’t sound like a man that can handle being the #1 guy now does it

          • Snap

            I’m not a twitter person, so I haven’t seen Punk’s tweets in question but you are correct, with travel being a major part of the WWE lifestyle, it’s something you’ve either got to love (or at least put up with) in order to stay sane. Other than the money which would go with the position, I don’t see being the number one guy as being all that special, but it’s clear that while Punk may have the in ring skills to make a bid for that title, the travel-heavy nature just doesn’t suit his personality.

            For what it’s worth, I have not disputed that Cena is currently the top guy in WWE, so I don’t know where that particular thing is coming from, I have just voiced that the whole concept of building around a single name is an outdated practice which should be abolished. That would, in no way, affect Cena’s position, rather it would provide opportunities for the stars at his level who don’t receive such opportunities. But I must reiterate, whoever is labeled as the “number one guy” would be nothing without the rest of the WWE roster.

            By the way, who said I can’t let go of the Attitude Era and did you conveniently gloss over my reply to you a while back where I said I used to actually *gasp* like Cena, but that slowly changed the more he transformed into a tool. I don’t give a damn about the rap gimmick nor do I feel he MUST turn heel, just that he STOP insulting our intelligence and learn to sell more than just merchandise. See that? I’m saying Cena can move merchandise, I’m not blinded by this so-called “hate” (which Cena fans love to spew when people don’t worship their hero, don’t fall into that pattern) to not see the bleeding obvious and… if you scroll up a bit, you will even see that I do not dispute that Cena has an incredible work ethic (well, except for the part where he gets lazy when he’s facing an opponent who isn’t a top talent, but he can work on that and improve). As I have said in the past, I simply cannot stand the character he portrays on TV. Or, let me put it this way, I know you have mentioned how you think Punk is one of the better in ring guys but don’t like his general attitude, the way you keep labeling me and anybody else who makes anti-Cena comments as a “hater” then your own comments make you nothing more than a “Punk hater” whose comments should simply be dismissed because haters gonna hate. Why does it even bother you that people don’t like Cena, how can it possibly affect you? I don’t care that you like Cena, or that you dislike Punk, it’s your preference. I am likewise entitled to my own.

            I am, of course, aware of the video packages WWE has done to show superstars at various events, usually associated with Be a Star and whatever charity they happen to be promoting, but that is generally the extent their involvement outside the ring will be showcased. Do you see WWE featuring Alicia Fox or Natalya in their “Did You Know?” factoid every chance they get? Maybe fans would get behind some of the characters they introduce if they actually, you know, BUILD them up in the public perception. So if you want to blame anyone for people being completely sick of seeing Cena’s face, look no further than WWE itself. And no, it’s not just limited to Cena, it would happen to whoever WWE decided to shove down the viewers throats week in and week out.

          • Xavier

            I pretty much disagree with just about everything you said but I’ll leave it at that.

          • Bob’s Diner

            It wasn’t broken. It was injured, yes, but he still managed to run his wrestling school and take bumps there. Even other wrestlers have said they believe he was over-selling in the match at WrestleMania to make it look like he was in more pain than he really was in. I believed it then and I believe it more now, considering he chose to return in 2002 when his best friend was gaining a stranglehold backstage and Steve Austin was no longer the star of the show.

            Also, don’t forget he tried to pull a CM Punk and threatened to quit and go to WCW after he and Bret Hart got in a fight backstage. Not to mention he and the Kliq threatened to no show an event until Vince came to meet them all at the hotel and promise them more money and titles etc.

          • Xavier

            Wrestlers said they believed he over sold but they’re not HBK so they really had no way of really knowing if it was broken or not. I tend to think it was actually broken since he stayed away for four years. Why would anyone quit for four years just because of another wrestler? I’ve read Michaels’ book and he wasn’t in a good place mentally, spiritually or physically in 97/98, by 2002 he was born again christian, happily married and in a much better place in his life. As a matter of fact when he cameback it was only suppose to be for a few months.

            Yeah I remember hearing about those, HBK was a huge douche back in the 90s along with Hall, Nash & Paul and he deserved to get his ass beat by Bret.

          • Bob’s Diner

            Hahaha awesome. He certainly seems to be the one that has changed the most. Nash is easily still my least favourite of the bunch – I don’t think he has changed a bit.

            Anyways, on a more positive note… I was so incredibly wrong about Daniel Bryan getting added to the main event. Wrong wrong wrong was I

        • Xavier

          Punk couldn’t handle being in Cena’s spot. If he’s burned out now just imagine how burned out he would be trying to wrestle, and do all the media appearances, make a wish stuff and fight against breast cancer stuff. No one knows why he quit on his fans but it really doesn’t matter because the bottom line is that he quit and walked out on everyone and in the process alienated a lot of his close friends backstage as Richard as reported. His fans can keep making excuses for the dude all they want but Punk gets no sympathy from me

          • Jbreed

            I keep hearing discussions on how CM Punk quit on the fans. When somebody wants to make a decision about his career than nobody else should matter. I understand the fans supported him over the years but he did his part in giving back to the fans by working his ass off and giving us a lot of memorable moments. There are a lot more important things to worry about than what CM Punk does with his life.

      • Cubed56

        What the hell are u talking about? Your a psychiatric nurse, and you think your job makes you put your life on the line? Give me a break, have you ever served your country and been to war? Now that is truly putting your life on the line.

        • Iffy

          Because genuinely seeking to improve the lives of others in a critical mental condition (probably a lot of which are former soldiers) is some how less than agreeing to kill in the name of your country for the betterment of the vastly wealthy? Americans and war are so very funny….

          • Mario

            Very politely said …

          • Mysterion

            Too polite I fear. The big words have scared the war monger away.

          • Cubed56

            Do you have military experience? I’m glad Robert is/was a member of our military and I’m sure he’s seen some really messed up soldiers, and I appreciate what he’s done and is doing for my brothers, but those interactions are far less violent and not nearly as unpredictable as the ones in real war zones.

          • J Vomkrieg

            Most of the people I know who have served don’t throw that around to score points on the internet. The people who do that tend to have been desk jockeys, reservists or liars. Robert is saying that with his real name, ad mentioning that he was support personnel, so I give him more credibility. But Cubed56, I reckon you are full of it.

          • Cubed56

            I dont need to score points with anyone, nor am I looking to. One thing us infantry guys dont like, is when support guys talk like they’ve been in a real war battle. However your right, my words and actions were below standard, especially to Robert. So to Robert, I apologize, and I do appreciate what youve done and still do for military personnel. To anyone else Ive offended or made upset, I apologize to you also. To you J Vomkrieg, just so you dont think Im hiding behind a screen name, my real name is……

          • J Vomkrieg

            That’s cool. I just seem to come across a lot of armchair warriors who talk big, but never did much. Me, I was a civilian working for Defence on the technology soldiers could use to call home (Satellite reach back capability). Meet a lot of good men and women in that role, and the one thing that struck me about them was a humility about what they had been through. I had, and still have the deepest respect for anyone who served.

          • J Vomkrieg

            I’d also take your name out of your post. People can find WAY too much info about someone with an unusual name.

          • Cubed56

            Thanks for the respect, and again I apologize for acting very unprofessionally and not to the standard you’ve come to know from us military members. Also, thank you for helping us be able to talk to and see our families while overseas, that means the world to all of us to be able to do that. Also good call about taking my name out of the post.

        • Robert Olley

          Actually yes i have i was a medical officer and did 3 tours in iraq and believe me people having mental breakdowns, trying to take their own lives and coming at you with handmade weapons is a damn site worse than any war zone. So dont lecture me on putting lives on the line. Troops are predictable and you can prepare you cant prepare for people with mental health

          • Cubed56

            Good you for you sir, I have also been to Iraq and Afghanistan. No offense to you but seeing mental breakdowns of soldiers is and never will be worse then a war zone, especially the ones where little children are strapping bombs to themselves and blowing themselves up. Also no offense you were a medical officer, did you ever actually engage in battle as infantry squads like the one I was in do? Look I respect the hell out of you for being a fellow military member, but as a medical officer, you aren’t usually exposed to the worst parts of war, and sometimes you guys didnt ever have to leave the base.

      • Bob’s Diner

        Ever think he was unhappy? That there is more to it than you or people on the internet know about?
        Vince McMahon obviously agreed to something with him – he and HHH are pretty much the most insecure and petty individuals in WWE, so if Punk just ‘took his ball and went home’ like everyone tries to put it, there is no way he would have been offered to come back to such a match. Even Steve Austin was mercilessly buried by the company on air after he pulled the no-show trick in 2002. Not once have they said anything remotely negative about CM Punk.

        I admire your profession… but it isn’t the same thing as wrestling in the ring. That’s like saying an accountant has the same risks as an electrician because they use computers or something…

      • J Vomkrieg

        Taking bumps hurts, travel wears you down. It’s not the same as being deployed that’s for sure, but it would still wear you out. The social pressure of having to perform at a high level every night would also be mentally exhausting. I don’t think anyone who hasn’t lived the lifestyle could fairly judge it. I know i can’t.

    • Guest

      Its pride bro. He wants to make them sweat…work for it, if you will.

  • http://wrestlingnewsworld.com/ Theophilus McFadden

    At least I don’t have to hear about that ridiculous “Tout” anymore. That got old *fast*.

  • Xavier

    Heyman’s promo was freaking epic. I’ve never seen anyone out over the streak the way he did last night. Mentioning all the other greats and comparing their WrestleMania resumes to that of Taker’s only made the streak look that much more impressive. Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant, Heyman’s promo last night gets a 11 out of 10 from me.

    The Occupy movement last night was simply amazing too see. Just like Jesse said last night, it was Bryan’s beer truck moment. Not many guys get that opportunity to create something that special & memorable. Bryan has an opportunity to go over Triple H, Randy Orton & Batista all in one night which is also something that no other wrestler can say that.Bryan, Triple H & Steph once again knocked it out the ball park last night.L ast night’s segment almost makes the six months of bad booking worth it, and dare I say those six months of mid booking Bryan may come as a blessing in disguise, The bad booking has actually gotten Bryan even more over then he was this past a summer. Kudos to WWE creative for recovering so nicely now just don’t mess up it up at Mania. In the words of my man Spike Lee “Do The Right Thing”.

    • Cubed56

      Honestly, believe it or not, for as much crap as creative gets from all of us, I’ve changed my tune quite a bit, and believe that the booking of DB has been excellent. He would have never gotten this hot if he wasn’t continually screwed over and held down. My fear is once he gets the payoff we all want, his star will slowly fade.

      • Jbreed

        Booking Daniel Bryan to be continuously screwed over and being held down seems like good booking now since it seems like, thanks to the fans, he’s finally getting his oppurtunity as a top guy in the company. Otherwise the whole idea of screwing Daniel Bryan and holding him down was all real and not part of a storyline.

        • Cubed56

          Yea it was “real”. They purposely screwed DB over time after time after time. Please, if they never saw any value in DB, they would’ve never put him into the position where it looks like he’s being screwed over all the time at all, this was brilliant storyline progression all the way through by Vince and creative and sucked all of us into buying into the underdog story. Guess what, it worked too, everyone is behind DB, and WWE has a new megastar they’ve been looking for.

          • Jbreed

            Really because the plans they had for the hottest star in the WWE was for him to face Sheamus in a meaningless midcard match at the most important ppv of the last decade.

          • Cubed56

            Exactly my point, if they had no confidence in DB, they would never have put him into the main storyline in the first place, he wouldve stayed in the upper mid card where a match with sheamus makes sense. Remember WM original plans are put forth months ahead of time, so i dont take much from those as things always change.

          • Jbreed

            But the plan, as much as Bryan was over with the fans, was never for him to be involved in the main event if they weren’t afraid of the fans hijacking the originally planned main event, otherwise Bryan would have won the Royal Rumble match.

          • Cubed56

            Not really, they could just have any other match but Orton/Batista main event the show, perhaps taker/lesnar. In all honesty I’ll be shocked if DB walks out of WM as the champ. I’ll think he will beat HHH to get into the match, but I think all new chapters of the screw over DB storyline will start at WM.

      • Bob’s Diner

        So you are congratulating WWE on bring back old people to take spots, having it monumentally blow up in their faces despite trying for weeks to shove them in the viewer’s faces? Oh yeah, they are awesome.

        Daniel Bryan in the main event was not the plan. No way. They are lucky the guy is still as over as he is despite the terrible booking

        • Cubed56

          DB in the main event was not the original plan, your right. But like i said WM plans are originally made months ahead of time, plans change.

          • Jbreed

            But after the Royal Rumble the main event is set in stone. The change, to include Bryan, was made out of desperation.

          • Cubed56

            Plans can’t change? Is there a contract that says the WM main event is set in stone after RR? No there’s not, it’s just something WWE says to sell the bout. I will agree to an extent, DB more then likely will be put into the main event out if some desperation but more fear of their title match being an absolute train wreck without him in it. Let’s remember he’s not guaranteed to win the title in that match, this whole screwed over storyline could open another chapter in the main event at WM.

          • Bob’s Diner

            But you are acting like they planned this months ago, that WWE were doing all of it to get Daniel Bryan over. They most obviously didn’t and they are not why he is over.

          • Cubed56

            I’m not saying that it was all planned, what I’m saying is after SS, and especially after HIAC, it was obvious to them DB was over and it was a storyline they could run with. So wether by design or not it was good booking. Without those events happening DB is nowhere near as hot as he is now. Again I’m not saying this was all planned, maybe it was, who are you to say it wasn’t, do you work for wwe creative? Are you in their meetings where they discuss the progression of storylines? I doubt it, we all give creative crap, myself included, but for once I’m backing off and saying they are doing a good job. They’ve been lacking talent for years, until recently, and you can see that as they have the guys to play the characters and sell the story and it’s beginning to show.

        • Jbreed

          People just don’t understand Bryan was never in their plans from the beginning. He was only holding an injured John Cena’s top babyface spot warm during his feud with Randy Orton. They never gave a crap about how over he was wth the fans and what people call “great booking” was just Vince McMahon and Triple H letting us know they never saw Bryan as a number 1 guy. Now they need Bryan to save their WM main event from complete embarassment.

          • Bob’s Diner

            Exactly it. I can’t believe the number of people that all of a sudden see the last 8 months as ‘great booking’ or a well calculated plan. Seem to be the same people that think Roman Reigns should be world champion now or Zack Ryder didn’t get over because he is terrible and not because he got buried like a pirate’s treasure

  • Bob’s Diner

    Wow the TV negotiations really seem to be backfiring on WWE. The increase they were seeking was really ridiculous… though I’m not sure why anyone would rather hold on to TNA instead of WWE. One makes a lot of money and would bring numerous advertisers – the other loses money and brings Dixie Carter. Also, I wonder what other pro-wrestling content Viacom would be interested in…

    • Avalanchian

      Probably the price difference is huge from running 1 or the other.

      • Bob’s Diner

        Also likely Spike get a lot of input into how TNA run things (e.g. Tito Ortiz) which they wouldn’t get with WWE

    • Snap

      It sounds like WWE could be getting greedy with them apparently wanting significantly higher licensing fees, but the problem is they have had a hard enough time finding homes for their non-RAW programs, which includes having to take SmackDown off of network TV and onto a cable channel with less national coverage. Let’s not even get into their inability to convince any of these companies to carry the WWE Network as a broadcast channel.

      Now that they have the WWE Network up and running, it just might have taken away the apparent bargaining power they may have thought it could give them, much like what happened with Dish and the PPV fiasco. TV companies may look at the network and see a service which gives WWE complete control over when their programming is aired (like Main Event airing on the network before Ion TV) and approach them with a “this is what we are prepared to offer, take it or leave it” type of scenario.

      WWE has potentially more to lose from losing their deals than the companies they’re dealing with, as WWE could be forced to rely on the network to get their product out there and if they lose the income from licensing fees, I doubt the network would remain at anywhere near $9.99. I think WWE should have waited until AFTER their TV negotiations to bring the network online, but it was all about using WrestleMania as the carrot to entice people to subscribe. It wouldn’t be a case of having to re-train people to buy PPVs for $50 (or whatever the actual cost) after getting them for $9,99 with the network, but having to convince people to pay the cost of the network to get programming which they used to get for free. THAT would be a much harder sell than getting the PPVs for a drastically reduced price.

      Considering WWE already moved RAW off of USA for then-TNN and then back again (makes WWE seem like Bilbo Baggins when put that way) I would not be surprised to see RAW stay put even if they can’t get the deal they really wanted.

  • Cubed56

    My problem with the whole DB and Yes movement is that this as hot as it will get, its only downhill from here. As much as people will hate to hear it, it’s true. I know everyone says the booking for DB was terrible(myself included for awhile), but looking back at all of it, it was excellent. The continual screw jobs and holding DB down was what allowed DB to get the fan base behind him the way they are now. Once DB is giving the title, where do they go? Answer: there is nowhere to go after that. DB is better chasing the title then actually holding the title. I’m a DB fan and want to see him win the title as much as everyone else, but I’ve got the feeling once it happens, the momentum he’s riding will slowly fade and he will never be as big as he is now.
    As for the streak, imo there is nothing really historic about the record, as we all know wrestling has pre-determined outcomes. So to say 21-0 is historic is a bit far fetched for me. Its not hard to win 21 in a row when its pre determined your gonna win before the bell rings. A historic run, is something like Anderson Silva’s 17 fight win streak in UFC, or Floyd Mayweather Jr winning all 45 of his professional boxing matches, where the outcome is not pre determined, and you’re in a real fight. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve got nothing but respect for Taker and what he’s done for the WWE, but there is nothing historic about his record at WM. However, what is historic is the ability for Taker to compete at such a high level for so long while continually delivering 5 star matches for our entertainment.

    • Draven

      I completly agree with you on the yes movement ive thought the same thing. But bryan is so talented and entertaining to watch in the ring thats another huge reason that he is so popular.

      • Cubed56

        No doubt DB is one of the best, if not the best in the ring. However if there isn’t a great storyline to go with his work(see Dolph Ziggler) your in ring work will only get you so far. DB will stay well liked, but I just feel he will never be as hot as he is now, especially once hes giving the title, as when that happens there will be no underdog feeling to him anymore.

        • Xavier

          It’s the Chris Beniot/Eddie Guerrero theory. Fans fell in love with the chase and on e he climbed the mountain a lot of the appeal wore off

          • Cubed56

            Agree 100%

    • Xavier

      I agree with you bro. WWE creative misbooking Bryan has actually gotten him way more over l. Had Bryan won the title at HIAC or something I’m not so sure he’d be as over. Bryan has been booked the same way The Rock was booked back in 1999/2000 and the pay off at Backlash was epic because of it.

      • Cubed56

        Patience is a virtue right. We all wanted the payoff a long time ago, but this booking is giving that same feeling the rock had in 99/2000. And i for one am looking forward to the payout.

        • Bob’s Diner

          The problem was it meant WrestleMania was a complete letdown because The Rock got screwed yet again. I mean, sure that was the one of the worst WrestleManias of all time any way, but ending it like that was lame

          • Cubed56

            True in a sense. Tell me if DB beats HHH and wins the title at WM, where do they go from there?

          • Bob’s Diner

            Daniel Bryan as champ. It is the true test of how over someone is – Hogan, Austin, Cena all enjoyed long reigns as champion and are considered the top guys. If you want to test how someone goes, give them the ball and let them run with it. There are still numerous opponents they can give him in title scenarios. Winning the title should never the be the end of the story – it should be the start.

          • Jbreed

            It all comes down to how the WWE will handle Daniel Bryan’s title reign if it happens. I remember Rey Mysterio’s debacle of a title reign. The undersized underdog who overcame the odds to become world champion, then he started getting buried in non-title matches because the WWE’s idea was it wasn’t credible for a guy Mysterio’s size to keep beating guys bigger and stronger than he is. We could only hope this isn’t the direction they go with Bryan.

          • Cubed56

            I agree there is a lot of opponents for DB should he become champ. What I’m saying is, is that everyone got behind DB because of the underdog story. After he wins the title I’m worried his star will fade. DB fans may not want to hear it, but he may be better always being the hunter rather then the hunted.

          • Bob’s Diner

            Believe it or not, I’m actually not that big a fan of Daniel Bryan. I more respect that he has managed to gain the approval of the WWE crowd when many wrote him off as just an “internet darling” or whatever you want to call him. I especially remember how much HHH used to completely dismiss him in interviews before he signed with WWE, so that also tickles my fancy, somewhat.

            He is also very talented in the ring. What they need to do from here is give him the title and have them kill this underdog nonsense – it is the same thing that has killed the John Cena character the last few years. There comes a time when you just accept that he is a kick-ass wrestling machine and is going to beat people up. That’s what worked for so many before and I personally think that would be the best way to go

            But that’s just me. Like you said, I’m not in the WWE creative meetings. If I was, you can be sure at least one PPV would have been headlined by CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan in an ‘Ice Cream on a Pole’ match

          • Cubed56

            Lol. I agree they have to give DB the title and a decent run with it eventually to see if he can really be the face of WWE. I also agree the underdog story needs to come to an end sooner then later, however I’m worried that when he does win the belt, his luster will wear off, and he won’t be as captivating as he is now.

          • Bob’s Diner

            That is a fair point… I’m still of the opinion they are going to hold off until Extreme Rules, so I guess we’ll see what they do. So long as he doesn’t win the title and either get screwed out of it yet again or drop it to HHH at the following PPV…

          • Cubed56

            Agreed, ER makes alot of sense with it being in Seattle.

    • PHATBOYLBC

      HA you say ANY BOXER especially Floyd “I’d rather go to prison than fight Pac man” mayweather fights and they are not pre determined lol. Have you watched a Boxing contest lately? Aso in UFC have you seen the b.s. decisions BOTH are handing out? and you say PRO wrestling is pre determined. I mean it JUST came out Monday that there HAS BEEN conformation that the Famous Liston vs. Ali fight was RIGGED.

      • Cubed56

        Lol, you conspiracy theorists always entertain me.

        • J Vomkrieg

          At least you can be 100% sure wrestling is rigged. No one can say that pro boxing is 100% legit.

          • PHATBOYLBC

            True that Pro wrestling is rigged 99%. Montreal screw job was a tad different. I agree with every thing that was said. Just saying that Boxing is prob the MOST corrupt sport out there. MMA is starting to get that way. If you dont knock your opponent out,WHO KNOWS what judges might say

          • J Vomkrieg

            Montreal was still rigged, just not all the performers were in on it :)

            I lost faith in boxing after the two Lennox Lewis vs Evander Hollyfield matches. Where Lewis clearly won the first bout, but lost on points so they could have a rematch, that Evander looked like he won, but Lews got the decision.

            It stunk

          • PHATBOYLBC

            Not to be a smart a$$ here but the first Lewis vs Holyfield fight was a draw. (Holyfield was my favorite fighter as a heavyweight. his fights with Riddick Bowe were EPIC) But the first Roy Jones vs Antonio Tarver fight was b.s. Timothy Bradley vs Manny Pacchio was HUGE B.S. just to name a few

          • J Vomkrieg

            Draw, thats right. That’s what made it seem like it was rigged, so they could have the rematch for more money. Lewis dominated the match though and deserved to win, and in the rematch, holyfield upped his game and lost. It stunk

  • Robert Olley

    I’m wondering what punk is think leaving wwe. Does he think tna will be able to match the money hes making at wwe?
    Even with bryan in the main event i wont be paying 24.99 for it

    • Gerr Bear

      It not 24.99 its free. If you are subscribed to wwe network you get all ppvs for 9.99 a month with 6 months commitmet.

      • Bob’s Diner

        He may not live in the USA…

        • Snap

          Shhh! Some people are completely unaware of the world outside the borders of their own country. It’s best not to bombard them with such earth-shattering concepts.

      • http://roapreviews.com Lewis

        Well that’s not exactly free, that’s 9.99 a month…

    • Bob’s Diner

      As has been said, he obviously had his reasons and we don’t know them. No way he is interested in TNA – I would imagine him leaving WWE means he is done with professional wrestling in general. The only other place he would consider would be Ring of Honor, but that is a completely different company to when he left

  • Ryan Plague

    On the Topic of CM Punk, I was wondering what you guys thought of this question, If Punk returned for WrestleMania 30 and they gave him a top match with triple h or whoever and left lets say Dolph Ziggler off of the card, would that cause an issue backstage and would the fans really care?? I use Dolph as an example because to me, he works just as hard as anybody and seems to be going no where.

    • Bob’s Diner

      What Dolph Ziggler needs to do is start tweeting about how great HHH is, or at least trying to befriend him in some manner. If he would just do that, instead of saying he could beat up Randy Orton in a real fight, he’d get titles and backstage roles.

      • Ryan Plague

        With all do Respect, I don’t agree with that, I don’t see why Dolph or anyone else should have to kiss up to triple h, I understand he’s in charge and what not, but my god, Dolph works just as hard as anyone and in my mind has earned a chance to main event, it seems to me, that they blame him for the concussion even though it was that idiot Swagger’s fault, all I can say is if Dolph is givin the chance to Main event again, they don’t screw this up and make him work with someone like swagger or del rio again

        • Bob’s Diner

          It was a joke – I don’t think anyone should kiss up to him either. But becoming his gym buddy got Sheamus a title out of absolutely nowhere, so it obviously works

  • John

    I was one of the many fans who wanted Bryan to finally win the title last year after continually being screwed over, but personally I’m over the whole thing now. WWE screwed it up and now they are resorting to shoving him down our throats every week. I fear they are turning Bryan into another John Cena type babyface.

  • Rayner Chee-bai

    hmmm…